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Journalist Edward Pentin examines why the Second Vatican Council failed to issue an explicit condemnation of communism. If the Second vatican council would have condemned Communism, would it have helped accelerate its decline?

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/...unism.aspx
Probably not.  Whether we like it or not it was Pope John Paul II that brought it down. Reagan and America was just his pawn.

tim
Tim, you're joking, right? Huh?
The pastoral Council called to hearken the New Church into being deliberately ignored the plague that affected millions of souls worldwide.
Well yeah, of course it ignored it. Most of the V POO prelates were marxists.
(12-14-2012, 08:19 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not.  Whether we like it or not it was Pope John Paul II that brought it down. Reagan and America was just his pawn.

tim

Shocked

Are you serious. If anything it was Reagan and Thatcher that brought it down with the Pope supporting Solidarity in Eastern Europe. He wasn't the one that caused the commies to go bankrupt while trying to keep up with the west's military expenditures.
The commies are just playing 'possum. When the West breaks down in our Second Great Depression with Coups, insurrections, civil wars, riots, famines, anarchy, and chaos, one knows what the Russkies will do: Drive their tanks and forces clear straight through to the Rhine. And it'll take 'the Great Catholic Monarch' to rally Traditional Catholics, restore a Trad and true pope to the papacy (who'll reform God's Holy Church) and rally Christendom and beat back the Mohammedans who've invaded France, Spain, and Italy.
(12-15-2012, 12:23 AM)Virgil the Roman Wrote: [ -> ]The commies are just playing 'possum. When the West breaks down in our Second Great Depression with Coups, insurrections, civil wars, riots, famines, anarchy, and chaos, one knows what the Russkies will do: Drive their tanks and forces clear straight through to the Rhine. And it'll take 'the Great Catholic Monarch' to rally Traditional Catholics, restore a Trad and true pope to the papacy (who'll reform God's Holy Church) and rally Christendom and beat back the Mohammedans who've invaded France, Spain, and Italy.
I am of the same opinion.
Plenty of Popes prior had condemned Communism. It's not a central teaching of the faith.

Vatican II was, as I understand it, about expressing Church doctrine to the world. It had nothing to do with condemning every single little thing under the sun. Given Communism's anti-religious slant, one might even argue that the decrees on Religious Liberty were an implied condemnation.

As for playing opossum, the appearance of deadness, who is like the beast?

(12-14-2012, 05:59 PM)The Dying Flutchman Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2012, 08:19 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not.  Whether we like it or not it was Pope John Paul II that brought it down. Reagan and America was just his pawn.

tim

Shocked

Are you serious. If anything it was Reagan and Thatcher that brought it down with the Pope supporting Solidarity in Eastern Europe. He wasn't the one that caused the commies to go bankrupt while trying to keep up with the west's military expenditures.

Read what Gorbachov has to say, it ain't them two twits. It was orchestrated by Pope John Paul II, and they were scared to death of him. The Cia visited continuously with Pope John Paul II as to what they should do next. Truth is always weirder than historical hooverframus.Reagan and Pope John Paul II both were actors but Pope John Paul played real life, while Ron played cowboy in the films.

The Church signed a treaty with the Commies before the Council ergo no condemnation. Russia will be converted after the Consecration and nothing else will help. period.

tim
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