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Seeing this link
http://www.auxiliumchristianorum.org/index.html
I guess St. Paul says we as Catholics church militant are obliged to rage war with the demonic forces.

I thought our responsibility was to live the faith; sacraments, sacramentals and prayer, stay in state of grace and to follow Gods will. I guess I thought that was our spiritual battle, in addition to sticking it out with all the crazy stuff going on around us.
I also thought the navy seals for engaging in this direct obligation to rage war with the demonic forces are the exorcists and military the consecrated religious.

What say you?
(02-12-2013, 08:18 PM)candyapple Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing this link
http://www.auxiliumchristianorum.org/index.html
I guess St. Paul says we as Catholics church militant are obliged to rage war with the demonic forces.

I thought our responsibility was to live the faith; sacraments, sacramentals and prayer, stay in state of grace and to follow Gods will. I guess I thought that was our spiritual battle, in addition to sticking it out with all the crazy stuff going on around us.
I also thought the navy seals for engaging in this direct obligation to rage war with the demonic forces are the exorcists and military the consecrated religious.

What say you?

By living Catholic life to the best of our ability, we automatically wage war against the forces of darkness.

By following the prayers in the Auxilium Christianorum it is a great act of charity. It is no secret that the world strives to commit diecide with every new pro sodomite law, new divorce, new abortion, new porno, unjust wars, blatant hatred of anything remotely moral, etc. Those atacked by demons in an extrodinary fashion, be it infestation, obsessions, or even posessions, are in great need of our help. The exorcists put their own lives, sanity, and health at stake. There have been many exorcists deeply wounded by these battles.

Yes we are the militant. And as with most, different types of people are called to different types of jobs within. For some, aiding those in these types of dark and viscious battles is their job. This is something God calls you to participate, you don't have to do the prayers. But know that these prayers stike at the heart of the most evil in this world. These helping prayers bind these demons to the cross, where Christ will do with them as He will. The more of these demons "off the streets", so to say, the safer and better the world is for us and our children.
I've always taken things like this as a call to deliberately pray for the confounding and overthrow of whatever schemes and tricks that the devil and his buddies might be up to, knowing that they are active and present in the world.
(02-12-2013, 08:18 PM)candyapple Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing this link
http://www.auxiliumchristianorum.org/index.html
I guess St. Paul says we as Catholics church militant are obliged to rage war with the demonic forces.

I thought our responsibility was to live the faith; sacraments, sacramentals and prayer, stay in state of grace and to follow Gods will. I guess I thought that was our spiritual battle, in addition to sticking it out with all the crazy stuff going on around us.
I also thought the navy seals for engaging in this direct obligation to rage war with the demonic forces are the exorcists and military the consecrated religious.

What say you?

I was about to post a long rant about how horrifyingly dangerous this is, but then I actually looked at the prayers they are using. Very good prayers. Not at all what I thought they were going to be.
It recently occurred to me as I was reading about the wars in the OT before the promised land was gained, that gaining Heaven, the real promised land, is also a war.  Heaven is for those who wage war, and the only real enemy is ourselves, ultimately, because only we can damn ourselves.  The fighting is done by practising the faith, as verenaerin said.
(02-12-2013, 08:18 PM)candyapple Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing this link
http://www.auxiliumchristianorum.org/index.html
I guess St. Paul says we as Catholics church militant are obliged to rage war with the demonic forces.

I thought our responsibility was to live the faith; sacraments, sacramentals and prayer, stay in state of grace and to follow Gods will. I guess I thought that was our spiritual battle, in addition to sticking it out with all the crazy stuff going on around us.
I also thought the navy seals for engaging in this direct obligation to rage war with the demonic forces are the exorcists and military the consecrated religious.

What say you?

I've had that site bookmarked for quite a while but to tell you the truth I'm a sinner and I am not pious enough to exorcise demonic "principalities and powers".  To put it bluntly, I'm afraid to.  I think priests that are exorcists are truly heroic men.  I've read about them being physically assaulted by demons, the Cure of Ars, Father John Vianney being one example.  You don't want to take this lightly.  Read the requirements on that page before you attempt to do any exorcising of any demons.

The Auxilium Christianorum may be appropriate for some in here but for me I'll rely on prayers to the Holy Trinity, the Blessed Virgin, Saint Michael and my Guardian Angel that God assigned to me for protection.  That should help the exorcists a bit too.

Edit: I just finally looked at the prayers myself too.  I figured they'd be casting out demons by name or something like that but the lay member prayers are actually nice prayers.  A couple of times in the past I have had a problem opening up the prayers pdf page.
I guess another thought is if one is spiritually ready to handle what may come. I know we renounce Satan and all his false promises with blessing of holy water, we say rosaries, st Michael prayers, use sacraments and sacramentals for spiritual warfare.
Is even more darts thrown at demonic forces laity can really handle? I thought the big guns were for the exorcists, priests and occasional saint.

My patron saint is Saint Gemma, and as holy as she is; she was "messed" with.  St Gemma pray for us. We thank you for your prayers.

I guess I question the wisdom of trying to swim without first acknowledging what you're getting into. Since I know exorcists have been hurt etc, I think I'd be an easy peasy take down. Honest, painfully honest.

Oh another thing is one of the requirements to Axiliumchristiumorum says to contact a spiritual director or confessor and speak to them before proceeding. I do not have a spiritual director and I confess to one of 4 priests, one more than others. The primary one keeps it quick- name number, may ask questions and that's it. Does that mean do not move forward until this is done?
(02-12-2013, 08:58 PM)candyapple Wrote: [ -> ]I guess another thought is if one is spiritually ready to handle what may come. I know we renounce Satan and all his false promises with blessing of holy water, we say rosaries, st Michael prayers, use sacraments and sacramentals for spiritual warfare.
Is even more darts thrown at demonic forces laity can really handle? I thought the big guns were for the exorcists, priests and occasional saint.

My patron saint is Saint Gemma, and as holy as she is; she was "messed" with.  St Gemma pray for us. We thank you for your prayers.

I guess I question the wisdom of trying to swim without first acknowledging what you're getting into. Since I know exorcists have been hurt etc, I think I'd be an easy peasy take down. Honest, painfully honest.

Oh another thing is one of the requirements to Axiliumchristiumorum says to contact a spiritual director or confessor and speak to them before proceeding. I do not have a spiritual director and I confess to one of 4 priests, one more than others. The primary one keeps it quick- name number, may ask questions and that's it. Does that mean do not move forward until this is done?

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(02-12-2013, 08:58 PM)candyapple Wrote: [ -> ]I guess another thought is if one is spiritually ready to handle what may come. I know we renounce Satan and all his false promises with blessing of holy water, we say rosaries, st Michael prayers, use sacraments and sacramentals for spiritual warfare.
Is even more darts thrown at demonic forces laity can really handle? I thought the big guns were for the exorcists, priests and occasional saint.

Yes, the big guns are for trained exorcists (i.e. priests) who are working with the permission and support of their bishop and thus the Universal Church. The difference is whom the prayers are directed towards.

The prayers at the website you linked to are all directed towards the Blessed Virgin, the Saints, and God Himself, asking them to please drive out the demonic spirits. Those are fine to use, at least in small doses. If you are going to get into the kind of program they are proposing, yes, consult your confessor or spiritual director. If you -- for example -- just pray the St Michael prayer a few times a day, there is no need to seek out any permission for that.

Any prayer that tries to communicate, direct, command, or in any way address an evil spirit should never, ever, under any circumstances be used by anyone other than a priest who has been given the faculties to use them. Those prayers are horrifyingly dangerous in the wrong hands, and can very easily lead to possession if misused.
(02-12-2013, 08:58 PM)candyapple Wrote: [ -> ]I guess another thought is if one is spiritually ready to handle what may come. I know we renounce Satan and all his false promises with blessing of holy water, we say rosaries, st Michael prayers, use sacraments and sacramentals for spiritual warfare.
Is even more darts thrown at demonic forces laity can really handle? I thought the big guns were for the exorcists, priests and occasional saint.

My patron saint is Saint Gemma, and as holy as she is; she was "messed" with.  St Gemma pray for us. We thank you for your prayers.

I guess I question the wisdom of trying to swim without first acknowledging what you're getting into. Since I know exorcists have been hurt etc, I think I'd be an easy peasy take down. Honest, painfully honest.

Oh another thing is one of the requirements to Axiliumchristiumorum says to contact a spiritual director or confessor and speak to them before proceeding. I do not have a spiritual director and I confess to one of 4 priests, one more than others. The primary one keeps it quick- name number, may ask questions and that's it. Does that mean do not move forward until this is done?

I think you're right about exorcists being the only ones who should be called in the case of demonic possession.  Most people don't need exorcists.  As you've noticed I'm sure, all the prayers you mention ask for the help of the angels and saints.  None of them confront evil directly.
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