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Quote:Catholics, even some trads, are following the contemporary Church's teaching regarding how to treat persons who say they are attracted to the same sex, which is the opposite of what the Church's teaching had been previously.

I agree, and I think that perhaps it is impossible for a Westerner so surrounded by homosexual propaganda to really keep the vice in proper perspective.  This is why I want an African Pope.  Africans appear to have no problem relating to homosexuality in a Catholic way.
(03-07-2013, 11:26 AM)FaithfulCatholic Wrote: [ -> ]Catholics, even some trads, are following the contemporary Church's teaching regarding how to treat persons who say they are attracted to the same sex, which is the opposite of what the Church's teaching had been previously. The contemporary Church still believes homosexuality is disordered and the act a sin but has reserved a special place for it and now tiptoes around this particular sin and treats it with kid gloves so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities. The question that occurs to me is, why is the Church treating this sin with kid gloves and telling us we have to respect and treat with dignity anyone involved with this sin? What is so special about this temptation that it has to be respected and treated with dignity as compared to any other temptation to sin? After all, we're all tempted with sinful thoughts.

Fleeting, tempting thought isn't a sin and we should quickly banish the thought to the dustbin. Got it. So what are we to think of it  when someone indulges a particular temptation long enough, and often enough, to claim a group identity based on that temptation (identifying oneself as a homosexual, bisexual, transgender, ect.)? At that point, hasn't the fleeting temptation (thought) progressed into an act of embracing it by word (identifying oneself by word as homosexual, etc.)? And how does that square with what we say in the Confiteor, "I confess to Almighty God...that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word, and deed, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault..."

   
We have to treat these people with dignity, because regardless of the sin of which one is guilty, every human person is created in the image and likeness of God. If you do not treat these people with dignity, then you sin against their creator.
That being said, I agree with the OP. Homosexuality is just awful, probably one of the most awful sins out there. By denying the inherent nature of things, those who are supportive of homosexual acts deny the foundation of the Natural Law. No Natural Law means no morality at all.
In addition to this, the people I have known who have lived the homosexual lifestyle have, for the most part, been guilty of many many perversions that I will not list on this forum. But I will say that as most gay men age, they become predatory towards younger men whom they call "twinks."
It is all this general awfulness which helps to keep me (I struggle with SSA) away from the gay life style. Who on earth would want to live like gay men do?  :'((
Quote:We have to treat these people with dignity, because regardless of the sin of which one is guilty, every human person is created in the image and likeness of God. If you do not treat these people with dignity, then you sin against their creator.

I submit that treating people with SSA as a distinct social group with group needs, group opinions, and a group struggle, is precisely NOT treating them with dignity.  They are individual humans with temptations just like the rest of us.  To go ANY farther than that in recognizing these people is to single them out and commit scandal. 
Benno, you wrote a great post. I too think it is time for the Church to get a solution for this problem that is like a psychological cancer and has got even theological consequences, as you said (changing the notion of truth, and destroying charity among other things).
The Church is the salt of the earth. It should always face the world and point out the truth and the way to salvation.
Unofrtunately I think this metastasis is already too spread all around the world for it to have a human solution. It is impossible to solve it by human means. We need to implore the grace of God and His mercy because the chastisement needed to straighten things will have to be one with apocalyptic dimensions.
(03-07-2013, 11:40 AM)Burdensome1 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:We have to treat these people with dignity, because regardless of the sin of which one is guilty, every human person is created in the image and likeness of God. If you do not treat these people with dignity, then you sin against their creator.

I submit that treating people with SSA as a distinct social group with group needs, group opinions, and a group struggle, is precisely NOT treating them with dignity.  They are individual humans with temptations just like the rest of us.  To go ANY farther than that in recognizing these people is to single them out and commit scandal. 
Agreed. But to treat them as if they have the Plague is also scandalous.
Quote:Agreed. But to treat them as if they have the Plague is also scandalous.

And...as everyone realizes, the purpose of the gay agenda is to force everyone into one or the other extreme.  Love gays, hate gays.  We need to find a way off of this roller coaster, now. 

The Church has tried to accommodate this agenda and it has come as close to destroying the Church as I think God will allow, and I sincerely hope I'm not wrong about that.

I wish, I really wish, that someone in the Church would reform the relationship of the Church to gays.  We need it.  Anytime someone tries to re-assert Catholic teaching, we get some bullshit about "treating them like they have the plague" or some such rot.  They don't have the plague.  They have a particularly dangerous form of concupiscence.  It can affect other people very badly, being a sexual temptation, and so plague language is not completely out of place in a sane discussion of it.  For certain, we are experiencing a cultural epidemic of it.  Every age has its characteristic sins, and this is ours. 

I submit that every time a homosexual Catholic "speaks out" about their "condition" we are incrementally losing this spiritual war.  Every time a homosexual Catholic quietly bears up under his or her cross, the way other orthodox Catholics quietly bear up under theirs, we all win. 
(03-07-2013, 12:12 PM)Burdensome1 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Agreed. But to treat them as if they have the Plague is also scandalous.

And...as everyone realizes, the purpose of the gay agenda is to force everyone into one or the other extreme.  Love gays, hate gays.  We need to find a way off of this roller coaster, now. 

The Church has tried to accommodate this agenda and it has come as close to destroying the Church as I think God will allow, and I sincerely hope I'm not wrong about that.

I wish, I really wish, that someone in the Church would reform the relationship of the Church to gays.  We need it.  Anytime someone tries to re-assert Catholic teaching, we get some bullshit about "treating them like they have the plague" or some such rot.  They don't have the plague.  They have a particularly dangerous form of concupiscence.  It can affect other people very badly, being a sexual temptation, and so plague language is not completely out of place in a sane discussion of it.  For certain, we are experiencing a cultural epidemic of it.  Every age has its characteristic sins, and this is ours. 

I submit that every time a homosexual Catholic "speaks out" about their "condition" we are incrementally losing this spiritual war.  Every time a homosexual Catholic quietly bears up under his or her cross, the way other orthodox Catholics quietly bear up under theirs, we all win. 
You live in funny world. In the real world, the Church I know opposes homosexuality, but recognizes it as a huge cross that is often difficult to bear on one's own. That's why groups like Courage exist. They help people who struggle with SSA to live in accord with the Church. "As Iron sharpens Iron" and all.
And in your world, why is there no "courage" group for masturbation?  Or rage?  Or theft?  Or violent fantasies?  Or contraception? 

Oh, right, because there is already a support group for all of those temptations which does not single out any sin but instead seeks to help all -


The Catholic Church.




My point.
www.pornnomore.com is a good Catholic group that deals specifically with lust, masturbation and pornography. The site doesn't look like it's been updated in a while though but it is well worth a look for anyone who either struggles with those things or knows someone who does.
I wasn't looking FOR a support group.  I was noting that we don't have a national fascination with them like we do for "courage". 

Sheesh.

The internet.
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