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This is very troubling:
   
Quote:Despite abortion views, Biden, Pelosi receive communion in Vatican Mass
    By Dave Boyer
    The Washington Times
    March 19, 2013


    Vice President Joseph R. Biden and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi both received communion during the Mass to celebrate the installation of Pope Francis in spite of their pro-choice position on abortion.


    The vice president’s office confirmed Tuesday night that both he and Mrs. Pelosi took communion during the Mass at St. Peter’s Square in Rome.

    Some Catholics argue that politicians whose positions on abortion and contraception conflict with church teachings should not receive communion.


    “Vice President Biden and Nancy Pelosi should certainly not receive Communion, either at the papal installation or anywhere else,” said the Rev. Frank Pavone, founder of Priests for Life, a U.S.-based Catholic anti-abortion organization.

    He predicted a “public uproar” if they took communion.
Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
[Note: The following memorandum was sent by Cardinal Ratzinger to Cardinal McCarrick and was made public in the first week of July 2004.]

1. Presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion should be a conscious decision, based on a reasoned judgment regarding one’s worthiness to do so, according to the Church’s objective criteria, asking such questions as: “Am I in full communion with the Catholic Church? Am I guilty of grave sin? Have I incurred a penalty (e.g. excommunication, interdict) that forbids me to receive Holy Communion? Have I prepared myself by fasting for at least an hour?” The practice of indiscriminately presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion, merely as a consequence of being present at Mass, is an abuse that must be corrected (cf. Instruction “Redemptionis Sacramentum,” nos. 81, 83).

2. The Church teaches that abortion or euthanasia is a grave sin. The Encyclical Letter Evangelium vitae, with reference to judicial decisions or civil laws that authorize or promote abortion or euthanasia, states that there is a “grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. [...] In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‘take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law or vote for it’” (no. 73). Christians have a “grave obligation of conscience not to cooperate formally in practices which, even if permitted by civil legislation, are contrary to God’s law. Indeed, from the moral standpoint, it is never licit to cooperate formally in evil. [...] This cooperation can never be justified either by invoking respect for the freedom of others or by appealing to the fact that civil law permits it or requires it” (no. 74).

3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

4. Apart from an individual’s judgment about his worthiness to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he must refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict, or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin (cf. can. 915).

5. Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a person’s formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Church’s teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist.

6. When “these precautionary measures have not had their effect or in which they were not possible,” and the person in question, with obstinate persistence, still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, “the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it” (cf. Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts Declaration “Holy Communion and Divorced, Civilly Remarried Catholics” [2002], nos. 3-4). This decision, properly speaking, is not a sanction or a penalty. Nor is the minister of Holy Communion passing judgment on the person’s subjective guilt, but rather is reacting to the person’s public unworthiness to receive Holy Communion due to an objective situation of sin.

[N.B. A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.]

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From the Jakarta News:

1037 GMT: There are around 500 priests giving communion in the square, while the pope himself gives it to a select few at the altar.

Let's give this guy a chance. There is no way he could have recognized Biden & Pelosi in that mob.
(03-20-2013, 12:42 AM)JoniCath Wrote: [ -> ]From the Jakarta News:

1037 GMT: There are around 500 priests giving communion in the square, while the pope himself gives it to a select few at the altar.

Let's give this guy a chance. There is no way he could have recognized Biden & Pelosi in that mob.

Much easier to grab the pitchforks a week into his being Pope.  Not like he's under enough spiritual attack or anything.
Where are the criticisms of Biden and Pelosi for even going up there to begin with?

Is no one going to send them a nastygram?
(03-20-2013, 01:00 AM)Melchior Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-20-2013, 12:42 AM)JoniCath Wrote: [ -> ]From the Jakarta News:

1037 GMT: There are around 500 priests giving communion in the square, while the pope himself gives it to a select few at the altar.

Let's give this guy a chance. There is no way he could have recognized Biden & Pelosi in that mob.

Much easier to grab the pitchforks a week into his being Pope.  Not like he's under enough spiritual attack or anything.

Why not send a memo to the people handing out communion with the 10 most wanted evil politician mugshots and a warning.  "Give communion to any of these people and you'll find yourself doing paperwork in he apostolic delegate's office in Iran"?

Then check on YouTube one week later to work out who needs a plane ticket.  Pretty sure that would work. They could remember 10 faces.
(03-20-2013, 01:46 AM)ggreg Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-20-2013, 01:00 AM)Melchior Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-20-2013, 12:42 AM)JoniCath Wrote: [ -> ]From the Jakarta News:

1037 GMT: There are around 500 priests giving communion in the square, while the pope himself gives it to a select few at the altar.

Let's give this guy a chance. There is no way he could have recognized Biden & Pelosi in that mob.

Much easier to grab the pitchforks a week into his being Pope.  Not like he's under enough spiritual attack or anything.

Why not send a memo to the people handing out communion with the 10 most wanted evil politician mugshots and a warning.  "Give communion to any of these people and you'll find yourself doing paperwork in he apostolic delegate's office in Iran"?

Then check on YouTube one week later to work out who needed a plane ticket.  Pretty sure that would work. They could remember 10 faces.

Even cro-magnon bouncers at clubs have a 'do not allow list' memorized...
Once again our Lord's body is defiled... Puke

In my opinion, I think that this week has been and will be hectic in the Vatican as the new pope settles in.  Even if the Vatican knew for certain who would be attending the Mass, it may be difficult to coordinate an order to bar communion (or it was overlooked).  However, since this is the Lord's body we're talking about, the Vatican should have made it a priority to try to prevent such an occurrence.

Edited for spelling.
Has the Vatican ever barred any pro-abort communion at one of these celebrity papal love-in masses?
(03-20-2013, 02:50 AM)ggreg Wrote: [ -> ]Has the Vatican ever barred any pro-abort communion at one of these celebrity papal love-in masses?

Well, not that I can remember.  I'm pretty sure it would be all over the news:

"Extra Extra!  Pope denies communion to politician because the Church hates the gays."  Something like that.
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