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It will be hard in the future for the likes of Paul Ryan to pass off their pro-capitalist, pro-Israel, pro-war positions as authentically Catholic with Pope Francis around.
(03-20-2013, 05:45 PM)crashnet Wrote: [ -> ]It will be hard in the future for the likes of Paul Ryan to pass off their pro-capitalist, pro-Israel, pro-war positions as authentically Catholic with Pope Francis around.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. The anti-undocumented worker Catholic crowd will be on edge as well.
We quiver on the mere pronunciation of the words "social justice". Even if it is thought and applied in the correct context, we as right-wing capitalist thinkers, despise it. Rush, theblaze and the like have not said a word regarding the pope's social and political background. That speaks volumes.
 

 
Well great, so it's Clinton in 2016.  Congrats you guys. 

Damn crunchies going to destroy the world.
(03-20-2013, 05:45 PM)crashnet Wrote: [ -> ]It will be hard in the future for the likes of Paul Ryan to pass off their pro-capitalist, pro-Israel, pro-war positions as authentically Catholic with Pope Francis around.

Are you suggesting that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are authentically Catholic?
Having read some sermons by Francis on social teaching he is simply squarely repeating what Leo XIII said. People have a right to private property and investment, but that does not free them from any obligation to society.  He's no more anti-capitalist than Leo XIII. 

And Paul Ryan and most Republicans have never been extreme laze-faire capitalists pushing for the return of young children working in textile mills nor supportive of the complete abolishment of the social safety net in this country (nor does even Ron Paul hold that position). 

So, I think they will be fine. 
Conservative Catholics are so detached from reality that I doubt much will change. Pope Benedict, for instance, was also quite critical of unbridled capitalism, but this never caused them to rethink their position in any way. The day after Caritas in Veritate was released, people like Weigel were out there arguing that Pope Benedict was an unqualified supporter of democratic capitalism and that all those problematic parts of the encyclical didn't matter since they certainly could not have been written by the Pope, who, after all, would never dissent from the magisterium of the Republican party.
Republicans have a Pope Francis problem
Mar 20 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/o...story.html

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The Republican party is a fracturing coalition in disarray. This past week’s CPAC meetings have revealed that, though they recognize their structural problems, the GOP cannot agree on a strategy for righting the ship. The last couple generations of coalition-building has produced odd bedfellows with very different positions on a multitude of issues: from drones to gay marriage to immigration.

And yes, though few are talking about it publicly these days, even abortion.

Many different kinds of Republicans went to this issue after Romney’s presidential defeat. CNN’s Alex Castellanos chided his fellow conservatives for foolishly embracing big government on “social issues.” John McCain said that conservatives should “leave [abortion] alone.” In a Washington Post Op-Ed, a former member of the Regan administration official opined, “As for morality, our party should live it, not legislate it.”

The fracturing of the GOP collation would be bad enough, but with projected Dow Jones and unemployment trends it appears that Republicans are being defeated even at what they perceive to be their own game: economics. Throw in the fact that the GOP continues to score so poorly with the key trending demographics (Hispanics, women, and young people), and they aren’t just a party at a crossroads, they are a party on the brink.

And the election of Pope Francis, if understood correctly by the Democrats, could push them over it.

Consider that this pope from Latin America has views about strong state and international government energetically standing for the poor and vulnerable, ecological protection, and nonviolence that are to the left of Nancy Pelosi. He would likely be considered too liberal for a prime time speaking slot at the 2016 DNC convention. The pope is radically suspicious of the libertarian approach to “autonomy” and “choice”—especially when it ends up hurting the vulnerable and opening the way for violence.

For Pope Francis, to no one’s surprise, this includes suspicion of the right to choose abortion. His anti-abortion views might make his pontificate seem unfriendly to Democrats, but in reality our peculiarly American obsession with autonomy and individual choice—whether it is about our guns, our pelvises, or our money—is more at home in the Republican party. If Democrats could embrace Pope Francis’ connection between social justice for the poor and equal protection of the laws for our prenatal children, they could finish the GOP for a generation.

Perhaps the only weapon Republicans have left that could turn the tide, and it remains a powerful weapon, is their reputation as the pro-life party. Consider the views of the key demographics. A recent Pew poll found that 49 percent of women believe that abortion is morally wrong. This number, in addition to trending higher, compares to only 45 percent of men—who are increasingly supportive of abortion rights. Furthermore, we have known for some time now that Millennials are far more suspicious of abortion than the previous two generations. The all-important Hispanic demographic (which will of course be particularly energized by the Francis pontificate) has remained stubbornly pro-life for decades, and looks to continue this trend. Americans overall also describe themselves as pro-choice in record low numbers.

But Republicans are trending away from the view that government should be used to protect fetal human life. Though this pits them against current pro-life trends, it is more in keeping with their small government sensibilities. 30 percent of Democrats are pro-life, and this growing number is also in keeping with their more fundamental views that the government must protect vulnerable populations from discrimination and violence. The libertarian “keep government out of my life” approach to abortion was always an odd fit for a liberal party.

If Democrats can find the will to connect pro-lifers to their message of social justice and nonviolence--using Pope Francis as a model-- they will wrap up the key demographics for decades to come.

And give a death blow to the Republican party as we know it.

Prof. Charles C. Camosy of Fordham University is the founding director of the Catholic Conversation Project and author of “Peter Singer and Christian Ethics: Beyond Polarization” with Cambridge University Press.
(03-20-2013, 05:45 PM)crashnet Wrote: [ -> ]It will be hard in the future for the likes of Paul Ryan to pass off their pro-capitalist, pro-Israel, pro-war positions as authentically Catholic with Pope Francis around.

obamophile detected  Grin
(03-20-2013, 06:38 PM)Cooler King Wrote: [ -> ]Republicans have a Pope Francis problem

"If Democrats could embrace Pope Francis’ connection between social justice for the poor and equal protection of the laws for our prenatal children, they could finish the GOP for a generation."

This is preposterous.  One would like to think a Fordham professor would have a better grasp on human nature, if not politics, than this.  I know he's a layman, but one would like to think the Jesuits would vet their staff a bit better.
(03-20-2013, 07:05 PM)Warrenton Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-20-2013, 06:38 PM)Cooler King Wrote: [ -> ]Republicans have a Pope Francis problem

"If Democrats could embrace Pope Francis’ connection between social justice for the poor and equal protection of the laws for our prenatal children, they could finish the GOP for a generation."

This is preposterous.  One would like to think a Fordham professor would have a better grasp on human nature, if not politics, than this.  I know he's a layman, but one would like to think the Jesuits would vet their staff a bit better.

I think the Fordham professor is completely right.  Unfortunately for him, I think the Democratic Party is very unlikely to nominate an anti-abortion candidate in 2016.
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