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Ok, for any of you out there who are old enough to remember, Is this Pontificate following along with the Anthony Quinn movie, "The Shoes of the Fisherman"? the similarities are frightening.
I used to think the movie was similar to Paul VI.
I always thought it was supposed to be JPII' when I was little but then realized that he was even pope yet! 
Well, certainly not red anymore !

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(03-31-2013, 09:55 AM)Dmorgan Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, for any of you out there who are old enough to remember, Is this Pontificate following along with the Anthony Quinn movie, "The Shoes of the Fisherman"? the similarities are frightening.

Can you expand on this more? I don't follow what you mean.
Yes, please do. I never saw the movie.

(03-31-2013, 12:23 PM)Ursus Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-31-2013, 09:55 AM)Dmorgan Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, for any of you out there who are old enough to remember, Is this Pontificate following along with the Anthony Quinn movie, "The Shoes of the Fisherman"? the similarities are frightening.

Can you expand on this more? I don't follow what you mean.
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The movie, starring Anthony Quinn, came out in the late 60s.  It is based on a book of the same name.

Archbishop Kiril Lakota has been in a Soviet prison camp for twenty-odd years.  He is released by his former interrogator who is now Soviet premier and turned over to the Vatican.  Lakota is escorted around by a priest assigned to him who is based on Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.  Lakota is shown to be a man of great faith who puts much emphasis on human dignity through honest work due to his time in the work camp.  In an interview with the pope, Lakota is asked of it is true that he allowed ten priests to be shot by the Soviets rather than renounce his faith.  Lakota more or less indicates that it's true.  The pope makes him a cardinal.  And then dies.

Lakota and the rest of the cardinals go into the conclave and there is deadlock.  However, Lakota gains admirers when he talks to a group of cardinals about his experiences in the work camp.  In the end, he is acclaimed pope and accepts, taking his baptismal name as his reigning name.  After being elected, he slips out of the Vatican and goes on walkabout in Rome to experience the City.  He runs into people and stuff happens before his guards find him and take him back.  Along the way, he also has to formally censure his friend the Pierre Teilhard de Chardin-esque priest for heretical writings.

As things move along, we find out why the Soviet premier released Pope Kiril.  The world is in crisis with PRChina on the verge of famine.  The West won't help the commies and apparently the USSR is not in a position to help.  The premier, having interrogated Kiril at length in years past, knows him and has sent him forth to save the world from calamity.  After more stuff happens and loose ends are tied up back at the Vatican, Kiril goes out to the balcony and announces that in order to save Red China from starvation and possible nuclear war, he is selling off all the Church's wealth.

The movie is noted for its technical brilliance.  It is the most detailed recreation of the rituals surrounding the death of a pope and the following conclave ever filmed.
So what happens when the Church sells off all her wealth and the people eat all the food it buys and the next day, they need more food but the money's all gone?  Funny thing about the human body....you can't just feed it once and be done with it.  It kinda requires a constant input of food.

Oh, you mean we're dealing with a Hollywood Utopian wet dream, not the real world?  Gotcha.
(03-31-2013, 06:25 PM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]So what happens when the Church sells off all her wealth and the people eat all the food it buys and the next day, they need more food but the money's all gone?  Funny thing about the human body....you can't just feed it once and be done with it.  It kinda requires a constant input of food.

Oh, you mean we're dealing with a Hollywood Utopian wet dream, not the real world?  Gotcha.

The events in the movie are I have been told only a small part of the book.  Perhaps it's addressed there?  :)
(03-31-2013, 07:43 PM)Jacob Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-31-2013, 06:25 PM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]So what happens when the Church sells off all her wealth and the people eat all the food it buys and the next day, they need more food but the money's all gone?  Funny thing about the human body....you can't just feed it once and be done with it.  It kinda requires a constant input of food.

Oh, you mean we're dealing with a Hollywood Utopian wet dream, not the real world?  Gotcha.

The events in the movie are I have been told only a small part of the book.  Perhaps it's addressed there?  :)

Any scenario involving the Church selling off her wealth is nothing but a fantasy I'm afraid.  I believe the Church even has an agreement with the Italian government that prohibits selling most of her treasure.  There's something to be said for preserving cultural patrimony....the Good, the True, the Beautiful and all that....
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