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Awesome.  I, as well as others, noted early in his pontificate that his preference for speaking unscripted was going to cause issues, significant ones, at some point.  Here we have an example.  What are those who are considering the contemplative life, or those who are currently living this life, supposed to think of this statement?  Its nice to know all of the Carthusians, Benedictines, Cistercians, Cloistered Carmelites, Cloistered Dominicans, Cloistered Franciscans, all of our Eastern Catholic monastics, etc. are wasting their time with all of that prayer.  Now they can move on to the active religious life they should have been called to in the first place. 
Sigh. I really HATE hearing this kind of thing. So much for thinking that it only happened in my parish.  >:(
(07-24-2013, 03:24 PM)Sant Anselmo Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/20...-what.html

Awesome.  I, as well as others, noted early in his pontificate that his preference for speaking unscripted was going to cause issues, significant ones, at some point.  Here we have an example.  What are those who are considering the contemplative life, or those who are currently living this life, supposed to think of this statement?  Its nice to know all of the Carthusians, Benedictines, Cistercians, Cloistered Carmelites, Cloistered Dominicans, Cloistered Franciscans, all of our Eastern Catholic monastics, etc. are wasting their time with all of that prayer.  Now they can move on to the active religious life they should have been called to in the first place. 

Scripted or not, shouldn't the Pope know better? 
(07-24-2013, 03:55 PM)2Vermont Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2013, 03:24 PM)Sant Anselmo Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/20...-what.html

Awesome.  I, as well as others, noted early in his pontificate that his preference for speaking unscripted was going to cause issues, significant ones, at some point.  Here we have an example.  What are those who are considering the contemplative life, or those who are currently living this life, supposed to think of this statement?  Its nice to know all of the Carthusians, Benedictines, Cistercians, Cloistered Carmelites, Cloistered Dominicans, Cloistered Franciscans, all of our Eastern Catholic monastics, etc. are wasting their time with all of that prayer.  Now they can move on to the active religious life they should have been called to in the first place. 

Scripted or not, shouldn't the Pope know better?   

One would think. 
Read more closely he did not say contemplative prayer was idle. It was the Benedictines that said Ora et labora, Deus adest sine mora. In English Work and Pray and God will aid you without delay.

Regula S.P.N. Benedicti

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/benedict.html

It'll take time to read it all.

tim
I'm pretty sure he doesn't think St. Clare was wasting her time in the cloister.

Still, what he means by "concrete actions" will have to be 'clarified.' Ugh.
(07-24-2013, 04:04 PM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Read more closely he did not say contemplative prayer was idle. It was the Benedictines that said Ora et labora, Deus adest sine mora. In English Work and Pray and God will aid you without delay.

Regula S.P.N. Benedicti

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/benedict.html

It'll take time to read it all.

tim

Yes, actually that is what Pope Francis said.  His statement was in the context of serving others. 

“But at the same time, when ecclesial service only attends to work, not reserving time for dialogue with God in prayer, it risks serving itself rather than God who is present in the brother in need.”

(07-24-2013, 05:29 PM)Sant Anselmo Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-24-2013, 04:04 PM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Read more closely he did not say contemplative prayer was idle. It was the Benedictines that said Ora et labora, Deus adest sine mora. In English Work and Pray and God will aid you without delay.

Regula S.P.N. Benedicti

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/benedict.html

It'll take time to read it all.

tim

Yes, actually that is what Pope Francis said.  His statement was in the context of serving others. 

“But at the same time, when ecclesial service only attends to work, not reserving time for dialogue with God in prayer, it risks serving itself rather than God who is present in the brother in need.”

Well, JR has explained things:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=809829

I am reading a book about the Saints and read the section about St Ignatius of Loyola (founder of the Jesuits) as his feast day is just upon us (July 31).  It seems that this is exactly where Pope Francis gets his view of contemplative prayer.  This may have been off-the-cuff, but, based on his order's founder, I believe this is exactly how he thinks.

From Lives of the Saints:

Ignatius himself was always suspicious of reports of mystical phenomena, and he strongly discouraged members of his society from aiming for the higher reaches of contemplative prayer, because it distracted people from action and exposed them to illusions, some of which, he insisted, have their origin in the devil.

How was this view even allowed at the time of Ignatius?  Isn't this against Church teaching?
(07-26-2013, 07:52 AM)2Vermont Wrote: [ -> ]I am reading a book about the Saints and read the section about St Ignatius of Loyola (founder of the Jesuits) as his feast day is just upon us (July 31).  It seems that this is exactly where Pope Francis gets his view of contemplative prayer.  This may have been off-the-cuff, but, based on his order's founder, I believe this is exactly how he thinks.

From Lives of the Saints:

Ignatius himself was always suspicious of reports of mystical phenomena, and he strongly discouraged members of his society from aiming for the higher reaches of contemplative prayer, because it distracted people from action and exposed them to illusions, some of which, he insisted, have their origin in the devil.

How was this view even allowed at the time of Ignatius?  Isn't this against Church teaching?

S. Ignatius makes lots of sense to me, and maybe not others. My "spirituality" is as I was trained "nuts and bolts". I'm suspicious of any when they talk about meditating on something no matter what, because my mind runs when I say a rosary. It was explained by a priest in an audio homily, that this is a blessing. It keeps us humble and makes us re-double our efforts to get it better each time. Since V2, this push for higher prayer to me rings the bell of Hermann Hesse and eastern philosophy stuff. I'm quite sure Mystics in the Church are very special and you can count them on two hands, and pretending does not make it so.

tim
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