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Not sure if this has been talked about, I live in Ontario so I may be more aware of Quebec then some of the international members. Basically we have a province that is made up of French who are perhaps more socialist and secular then the other France. But I digress basically something happened in 1996 and the succeeding decades that saw Mass attendance plummet from 90% in 1966 to 8 % today as can be seen in the article, how little its talked about shocks me to my core, I think in Europe it was much more gradually. I know the church is having problems throughout the world but I think this is likely the most shocking and emblematic.

For those of you who are older and have been at this much longer than I have as I am just 22, when this stuff all was happening and the Churches were emptying did anyone really notice it? comment on it? or attempt to do anything about it? Catholicism was so important in my country they have their own publicly funded school board and now I wouldn't be surprised if Quebec is 70-80% atheist. I don't mean to make accusations or really blame anyone but it frustrates me sometimes how unconcerned I find alot of the Catholic Community about massive social changes and frankly defeats like this. Anyways sorry for the rant any thoughts?  Blush
The cynic in me wants to blame the switch from Latin to the venacular and the subsequent Liturgical abuses that started after VII is what caused that massive liquidation in 1966...
One issue I think is that while Catholics have done a better job then Protestants in the intellectual realm, I think before pretty much the present there was an attitude of "Faith doesn't have to be reasonable" or "we don't have to prove stuff" and it took way to long to change and for us to get guys like William Lane Craig (I know he's Baptist) out there who really know their stuff and when society punches intellectually they can punch back and even dominate in debates. So much modern science, archaeology and other secular area's are confirming divine truth and I think we were slow to get on the bandwagon. That's what made me reconsider Christianity actually the strength of the historical evidence I found overwhelming
I had always heard that Quebecers lost faith in the Church because of the corruption within it at the time.
Has anyone seen Alfred Hitchcock's film, I Confess?  It was filmed in Quebec City, which is still a wonderful place to visit.
No I haven't your right though Quebec is a beautiful city.
Yes, Guac. I have seen that movie. That's my church!
Quebec is in such a state of destruction it is hard to describe, really. I do not think it was because of corruption within. I have heard that said here, and then I ask for specifics, at which point I am ALWAYS given the following example: priests used to come around and ask the women how many children they had and tell them to have more. Now, whatever you think of that policy, that was not corruption. And at the time, the people had no problem with it. And ironically, the very thing they criticize the Church for doing is the very thing that would have kept the population growing at such a rate they could actually have saved the French language, which they cannot now, because they don't have children.

The cultural revolutions of the 60s and 70s hit Quebec late. In a sense, Quebec is a lot like Ireland. So very Catholic, very isolated because Catholic and in this case French, so the revolutions hit them late, so when they finally got on the revolution bandwagon, they felt they had to run hard and fast to catch up with everybody else. Now they feel they are ahead of the pack!

Still, in Europe, for years France has been really a load of bad news. But the worst places are the ones where you see positive changes most quickly. The French demonstrations against gay "marriage" came as a huge surprise. Also the statistics on mass attendance NO vs TLM point to a near future in which TLM groups will have to take over parishes, whether the hierarchy wants it or not. In the worst places, positive things happen more quickly. I think the same will apply to Quebec. Already, in the Quebec City area, the diocese gets about one guy ordained every zillion years. The FSSP has quite a number of Quebec vocations to the priesthood, more I think than the rest of Quebec City, which is quite good for a one church show vs an entire, archdiocese . . .
(09-17-2013, 09:08 PM)guacamole Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone seen Alfred Hitchcock's film, I Confess?  It was filmed in Quebec City, which is still a wonderful place to visit.

Great Movie! 
Whenever I need a laugh I look at the political landscape in Quebec I love how there is no right winged political party, not even of the socially liberal big spending Stephen Harper variety. The closest thing you have is the ADQ or whatever their called now and they have for some bizarre reason secularism listed as part of their ideology. Because modern Quebec is pretty much a theocracy thats why  LOL.

(09-17-2013, 11:28 PM)maldon Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, Guac. I have seen that movie. That's my church!
Quebec is in such a state of destruction it is hard to describe, really. I do not think it was because of corruption within. I have heard that said here, and then I ask for specifics, at which point I am ALWAYS given the following example: priests used to come around and ask the women how many children they had and tell them to have more. Now, whatever you think of that policy, that was not corruption. And at the time, the people had no problem with it. And ironically, the very thing they criticize the Church for doing is the very thing that would have kept the population growing at such a rate they could actually have saved the French language, which they cannot now, because they don't have children.

The cultural revolutions of the 60s and 70s hit Quebec late. In a sense, Quebec is a lot like Ireland. So very Catholic, very isolated because Catholic and in this case French, so the revolutions hit them late, so when they finally got on the revolution bandwagon, they felt they had to run hard and fast to catch up with everybody else. Now they feel they are ahead of the pack!

Still, in Europe, for years France has been really a load of bad news. But the worst places are the ones where you see positive changes most quickly. The French demonstrations against gay "marriage" came as a huge surprise. Also the statistics on mass attendance NO vs TLM point to a near future in which TLM groups will have to take over parishes, whether the hierarchy wants it or not. In the worst places, positive things happen more quickly. I think the same will apply to Quebec. Already, in the Quebec City area, the diocese gets about one guy ordained every zillion years. The FSSP has quite a number of Quebec vocations to the priesthood, more I think than the rest of Quebec City, which is quite good for a one church show vs an entire, archdiocese . . .
Quebec gave up the faith because they were always considered backwards by English Canada because of their Catholicism and when the modern world seemed to progress to the point where even priests and nuns were drinking the Kool-aid of the modern world after V2, the people just dumped it.

The masses of the people saw living the Catholic life as unreasonable in contrast to the modern world and in the absence of priests and bishops defending the faith it all fell apart.

Cardinal Ratzinger speaks on the Quebec situation in his 1986 interview "the Ratzinger Report" - a very good read.
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