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Pope attacks global economics for worshipping 'god of money'

Reuters
By Philip Pullella

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-attacks-globa...12602.html

CAGLIARI, Sardinia (Reuters) - Pope Francis made one of his strongest attacks on the global economic system on Sunday, saying it could no longer be based on a "god called money" and urged the unemployed to fight for work.

Francis, at the start of a day-long trip to the Sardinian capital, Cagliari, put aside his prepared text at a meeting with unemployed workers, including miners in hard hats who told him of their situation, and improvised for nearly 20 minutes.

"I find suffering here ... It weakens you and robs you of hope," he said. "Excuse me if I use strong words, but where there is no work there is no dignity."

He discarded his prepared speech after listening to Francesco Mattana, a 45-year-old married father of three who lost his job with an alternative energy company four years ago.

Mattana, his voice trembling, told the pope that unemployment "oppresses you and wears you out to the depths of your soul".

The crowd of about 20,000 people in a square near the city port chanted what Francis called a prayer for "work, work, work". They cheered each time he spoke of the rights of workers and the personal devastation caused by joblessness.

The pope, who later celebrated Mass for some 300,000 people outside the city's cathedral, told them: "We don't want this globalised economic system which does us so much harm. Men and women have to be at the centre (of an economic system) as God wants, not money."

"The world has become an idolator of this god called money," he said.

Sardinia's coast is famous for its idyllic beaches, exclusive resorts and seaside palatial residences of some of the world's richest people, including former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi and a host of Hollywood actors.

But much of the island, particularly its large cities and the vast agricultural and industrial interior, has been blighted by the economic crisis, with factories closed and mines operating at low capacity.

YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT, CLOSING MINES

Cagliari has a youth unemployment rate of about 51 percent. The Sulcis area in the southwest of the island is threatened with more unemployment from the looming closures of the Carbosulcis coal mine and an aluminum smelter.

The pope made clear that his assessment was not limited to the local situation.

"It is not a problem of Italy and Europe ... It is the consequence of a world choice, of an economic system that brings about this tragedy, an economic system that has at its centre an idol which is called money," he said to the cheers of the crowd.

While Francis's predecessor Benedict also called for changes to economic systems, he was more likely to use dense intellectual language.

Francis, who as bishop of Buenos Aires sided with unemployed workers in their conflict with government austerity plans, ended his improvised speech with a prayer asking God to "give us work and teach us to fight for work".

Francis said he did not want the crowd to see him as a smiling "cordial manager of the Church who comes here and says to you 'have courage'".

He added: "I don't want this. I want this courage to come from inside me and push me to do everything I can as a pastor and a man."

Francis brought tears to the eyes of some in the crowd when he told his own family's story of emigration from Italy to Argentina and how they lost everything in the Great Depression.

"I was not born yet, but as a child I remember hearing talk of this suffering," he said.

Francis said globalization had brought with it a culture where the weakest in society suffered the most and often, those on the fringes "fall away", including the elderly, who he said were victims of a "hidden euthanasia" caused by neglect of those no longer considered productive.

"To defend this economic culture, a throwaway culture has been installed. We throw away grandparents, and we throw away young people. We have to say no to his throwaway culture. We want a just system that helps everyone," he said.

(Editing by Will Waterman)
Man, Holy Father will not allow me to put my thumb on him!

What a brilliant and powerful speech after the fiasco several days ago! I cannot pin His Holiness down...he is like a jell-o mold. Pope Francis I may always be on the fence with you...several days I was shaking my head in sadness and disbelief and now I'm gobsmacked and jubilant. This globalization has done serious harm to workers and nations. Mass Immigration and Globalization is making it hard for me to find gainful employment other than menial labor. All this while money-changers line their pockets with their stock trades.


Grazie Papa! Grazie Papa! Grazie Papa!  :clap:


Boy do I feel like Michael Corleone from the Godfather Part III

"Just when I thought I was out....he pulls me back in."
(09-22-2013, 07:33 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Man, Holy Father will not allow me to put my thumb on him!

What a brilliant and powerful speech after the fiasco several days ago! I cannot pin His Holiness down...he is like a jell-o mold.
"Just when I thought I was out....he pulls me back in."

Meh.

It's the same pandering to the liberal-progressive media; the same warmed-over, worldly-focused collectivist/marxist ideology (under the guise of liberation theology); the same boastful and arrogant faux humility; and the same cheap moral exhibitionism. 
(09-22-2013, 09:51 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]Meh.

It's the same pandering to the liberal-progressive media; the same warmed-over, worldly-focused collectivist/marxist ideology (under the guise of liberation theology); the same boastful and arrogant faux humility; and the same cheap moral exhibitionism. 

Would you have been happy if Pope Francis did the "Greed is Good" speech from Wall Street?  :Hmm:


Nowhere did I read "Workers of the world unite!" in his speech. What I read was that this talk of "free trade" that neo-conservatives and Wall St types have peddled has done nothing to improve the lives of those who do not work at a bank or hedge fund.
(09-22-2013, 10:06 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 09:51 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]Meh.

It's the same pandering to the liberal-progressive media; the same warmed-over, worldly-focused collectivist/marxist ideology (under the guise of liberation theology); the same boastful and arrogant faux humility; and the same cheap moral exhibitionism. 

Would you have been happy if Pope Francis did the "Greed is Good" speech from Wall Street?  :Hmm:


Nowhere did I read "Workers of the world unite!" in his speech. 

Unfortunately, marxism is much more than a slogan.  It's a way of thinking; and Pops Francis' thinking is throughly Marxist.

Quote:  What I read was that this talk of "free trade" that neo-conservatives and Wall St types have peddled has done nothing to improve the lives of those who do not work at a bank or hedge fund.

Well....

1.  neo-conservatives are not big on free trade.

2.  markets have done more to create wealth and alleviate poverty than....well, any alternative I can think of.  So much more it is actually difficult to exaggerate.

3.  market economies are not "zero sum things" (bankers/hedge fund managers do well at the expense of "workers" and vice versa)

4.  I'd be willing to bet dinner (if you live in Boston! :)) that whatever problems these workers are having, it is far more likely to be due to some government policy, some trade agreement, some regulation, etc. 

5.  what alternative, exactly, does Pope Francis have in mind?

It's just moral exhibitionism, my friend; words spun to dazzle the now-fawning "progressive" press. 
   
(09-22-2013, 09:51 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 07:33 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Man, Holy Father will not allow me to put my thumb on him!

What a brilliant and powerful speech after the fiasco several days ago! I cannot pin His Holiness down...he is like a jell-o mold.
"Just when I thought I was out....he pulls me back in."

Meh.

It's the same pandering to the liberal-progressive media; the same warmed-over, worldly-focused collectivist/marxist ideology (under the guise of liberation theology); the same boastful and arrogant faux humility; and the same cheap moral exhibitionism. 

Says the person who has never been unemployed for over a year.
(09-22-2013, 10:17 PM)dark lancer Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 09:51 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 07:33 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Man, Holy Father will not allow me to put my thumb on him!

What a brilliant and powerful speech after the fiasco several days ago! I cannot pin His Holiness down...he is like a jell-o mold.
"Just when I thought I was out....he pulls me back in."

Meh.

It's the same pandering to the liberal-progressive media; the same warmed-over, worldly-focused collectivist/marxist ideology (under the guise of liberation theology); the same boastful and arrogant faux humility; and the same cheap moral exhibitionism. 

Says the person who has never been unemployed for over a year.

It's indeed sad when a person cannot work or find a job. 

However, two things to keep in mind: 

1. it is PRECISELY the sort of marxist thinking that has caused the protracted unemployment problem we are suffering under.  NOT FREE MARKET CAPITALISM.

2.  No one has a Right to a job.  To think otherwise is to misunderstand what a Right is.

(09-22-2013, 10:25 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 10:17 PM)dark lancer Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 09:51 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 07:33 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Man, Holy Father will not allow me to put my thumb on him!

What a brilliant and powerful speech after the fiasco several days ago! I cannot pin His Holiness down...he is like a jell-o mold.
"Just when I thought I was out....he pulls me back in."

Meh.

It's the same pandering to the liberal-progressive media; the same warmed-over, worldly-focused collectivist/marxist ideology (under the guise of liberation theology); the same boastful and arrogant faux humility; and the same cheap moral exhibitionism. 

Says the person who has never been unemployed for over a year.

It's indeed sad when a person cannot work or find a job. 

However, two things to keep in mind: 

1. it is PRECISELY the sort of marxist thinking that has caused the protracted unemployment problem we are suffering under.  NOT FREE MARKET CAPITALISM.

2.  No one has a Right to a job.  To think otherwise is to misunderstand what a Right is.

1. Critics of German unification after the Berlin Wall argue that they never had unemployment in East Germany.  Not that I'm a supporter of Communism or anything.

2. Everyone has a right to life.  We require a system where all people can live their lives with dignity, and that is not achieved in Communism or in a system where people who are capable of supporting themselves and want to support themselves cannot do so because of forces beyond their control.
(09-22-2013, 10:36 PM)dark lancer Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 10:25 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 10:17 PM)dark lancer Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 09:51 PM)Micawber Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-22-2013, 07:33 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Man, Holy Father will not allow me to put my thumb on him!

What a brilliant and powerful speech after the fiasco several days ago! I cannot pin His Holiness down...he is like a jell-o mold.
"Just when I thought I was out....he pulls me back in."

Meh.

It's the same pandering to the liberal-progressive media; the same warmed-over, worldly-focused collectivist/marxist ideology (under the guise of liberation theology); the same boastful and arrogant faux humility; and the same cheap moral exhibitionism. 

Says the person who has never been unemployed for over a year.

It's indeed sad when a person cannot work or find a job. 

However, two things to keep in mind: 

1. it is PRECISELY the sort of marxist thinking that has caused the protracted unemployment problem we are suffering under.  NOT FREE MARKET CAPITALISM.

2.  No one has a Right to a job.  To think otherwise is to misunderstand what a Right is.

1. Critics of German unification after the Berlin Wall argue that they never had unemployment in East Germany.  Not that I'm a supporter of Communism or anything. 

Not sure I understand your point.  My point is that the current protracted unemployment problem is due to collectivist/statist policies - and most certainly NOT to "free market capitalism" (which we don't have here in the US - indeed, what we have is closer to fascism, technically speaking.)

Quote:  2. Everyone has a right to life.  We require a system where all people can live their lives with dignity, and that is not achieved in Communism or in a system where people who are capable of supporting themselves and want to support themselves cannot do so because of forces beyond their control.

You don't have a positive right to food, housing, healthcare, etc.  You have a "right to life" in the negative sense, yes. 
On the contrary, it's similar in tone to Pope Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum.

To think that capitalism is purely a good is a delusion. Human nature being what it is, the 'free market' has no qualms about destroying the dignity of man and treating him as a means to efficient production, nothing more. Corporations think first, "How can I maximize profit?", and only secondarily (if at all) think, "How can I protect human dignity?"

The profit motive is often nothing more than unadulterated greed, one of the deadly sins.

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