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Sick, twisted, horrific, and sad. Unusual, too, in that the victims were females. From the DailyTelegraph.com.au:



Catholic priest ran cult-like 'Charlie Brown' group to sexually abuse young girls, royal commission hears
JANET FIFE-YEOMANS
The Daily Telegraph
December 09, 2013 6:09PM



A CATHOLIC priest ran a cult-like group sexually abusing young girls giving them all the surname Brown, as in Charlie Brown from the Peanuts comic strip, the royal commission has been told.

Her voice wavering, one member of the group, Joan Isaacs, said Father Francis Derriman told her he was dying and had to have sex with her first.

He fathered a child with another girl in the group when she was 17.

Ms Isaacs said: "Frank Derriman used the Peanut comic as a platform and used the surname Brown in reference to himself, the other three children and me."

At the time in 1967 and 1968, Father Derriman was a priest with the Archdiocese of Brisbane and chaplain of Sacred Heart Sandgate in Brisbane, she told the commission.

After two committals and trial, Father Derriman was in 1998 eventually convicted of sexually abusing Mrs Isaacs, now aged 60, and sentenced to one year behind bars, to be suspended after he served just six months.

Vox Wrote:I wonder why she waited so long. Maybe all this was pretty much "unspeakable" in a literal sense before the big scandal broke in the media, and she felt or believed, or both, that she couldn't talk about it and be believed. Whatever the deal, what a horrible thing to have to live with. God bless this woman. I so pray she hasn't left the Faith because of the actions of this abuser.

"Father Derriman created a cult like group which included myself and three other children," Mrs Isaacs, 60, said.

"He told me he could have sex with me once I attained the age of 16, so I was terrified of turning 16 to the point of being suicidal.

"On one occasion he acted out a fit in front of the Brown group. I understand Frank Derriman is still alive.

"I have maintained friendships with the other three children in the Brown group. The two girls out of the group have told me that Frank Derriman also sexually abused them. One of them took steps to have him criminally charged in respect of her sexual abuse and the other girl fathered Frank Derriman's child at the age 17 years."

Her shocking evidence drew gasps from the packed public gallery of the Sydney hearing of the royal commission into institutionalised responses to child sex abuse which is currently focusing on the Catholic Church's controversial Towards Healing process meant to help abuse victims like Mrs Isaacs.

Vox Wrote:Well, if Oz is anything like the USA, and they're really wanting to protect children rather than just besmirch the Church because they find a relatively small handful of ephebophiles with the very occasional pedophile thrown in (but who, sadly, create havoc and ruin lives of many, many people, far beyond what their relatively small number would make one think), then they should look at Jewish rabbis, Protestants, and, especially, public schools.

She said that when her and her mother first approached anyone in charge at the church, Father Doyle who was the parish priest of Zillmere, told her: "It is time for you to look for someone your own age."

Vox Wrote:Wow. So he admitted it, in essence? And did nothing? Or he thought -- or acted as if he thought -- this teenager had a crush on this priest? What the...?

It took her 30 years to go to the police and one of the reasons she did so was because in 1996 she saw Frank Derriman on a beach with a young woman and a child and she had "terrible thoughts of ... the future of the child he was with."

She also had become a teacher at the Archdiocese of Brisbane to find that another paedophile priest, Father McKeirman, was deputy director of Catholic education.

"I knew (he) had sexually abused a number of children while a resident at Sacred Heart Presbytery, including a very good friend of mine," she said.

The commission has heard that McKeirman was in 1998 convicted of child sexual assault.

Mrs Isaacs said she later went through the Catholic Church's Towards Healing process expecting to be treated with warmth, dignity and respect but later discovered that everything that was said to her during the process, including the apology, had been drafted by a church lawyer beforehand.

Reluctantly she ended up signing a deed of release with the church that banned her from discussing what happened to her, including the Towards Healing process, with anyone including her husband or to make "disparaging remarks" about the church.

Vox Wrote:"Including her husband"? Someone with whom she is ONE FLESH? You've GOT to be kidding me!  How could it possibly further her healing if she couldn't even talk about it -- espeically to the one person she is supposed to be the closest to, bound together in Christ? What does that bit of nonsense say about how the folks in charge in that diocese thought about the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony? Wow!

She received enough compensation to buy $5000 worth of Coles-Myer shares and a sewing machine.

Mrs Isaacs' emotional testimony ended with loud applause from the public gallery and again as she left the hearing room.

"There's a time in your life when you have to stand up for what is right and that time for me is now," she said.

"When the royal commission started this was one of the reasons that I needed to stand up because I needed to be free of those chains before I died."

She said she had felt silenced for the past 12 years since signing the confidentiality agreement with the church. The royal commission has negotiated with the church to lift all those suppression agreements.

Vox Wrote:I should hope so!  This stuff needs to be completely AIRED OUT, truly guilty priests -- who've had the benefit of due process -- need to be named, the victims need all the help the Church can provide, steps need to be taken to weed out men with strange sexual propensities from seminaries, etc.  I am NOT for "zero tolerance" nonsense, and am also enraged at how many, many completely innocent priests have been thrown under the bus in some Bishops' attempts to 'make things better." Two wrongs do not make a right, and slandering innocent men to make yourself look as if you're "really doing something now" is completely evil (and, of course, the media treat merely accused priests like complete filth -- even when the accusations are completely ridiculous). For ex., I got this from the Catholic League just a few days ago:

Catholic League Wrote:December 18, 2013

Bill Donohue comments on the decision by Saint Paul and Minneapolis Archbishop John C. Nienstedt to temporarily step down:

Archbishop Nienstedt has been the subject of a non-stop crusade orchestrated by ex-Catholics, and Catholics in rebellion against the Church, simply because he stands for everything they are not: he is a loyal son of the Catholic Church.

Now—out of the blue—comes an unidentified male who claims he was touched on his buttocks in 2009 by the archbishop while posing for a group photo. Nienstedt denies the charge, adding that he has never inappropriately touched anyone. Moreover, he has not been told the identity of his accuser.

The Catholic League is asking those who were there to share with us any information they have. Specifically, we are interested in obtaining a tape recording, or set of photos, of any Confirmation ceremony in 2009 where Archbishop Nienstedt was present; presumably, the alleged victim was standing next to the archbishop. Also, we are asking anyone who knows anything about the accuser (someone knows who he is) to come forward. Please email us at pr@catholicleague.org.

I know of no other leader, religious or secular, who would step down pending an investigation because some guy says he was touched on his behind four years ago in a group photo. It's time the bishops revised their "zero tolerance" policy. Too often, it means zero justice for the accused, thus undermining the legal principle of innocent until proven guilty.

When it comes to "zero tolerance" in the schools, every teachers union, as well as the New York Times, has counseled against it. With good reason: it does not allow for the nuances that color so many cases. The bishops ought to follow suit and junk this policy before it becomes the weapon of choice against them.

On December 5, Mrs Isaacs received a letter from the Archbishop of Brisbane, Rev Mark Coleridge, stating that he believed there should have never been any secrecy clauses and he freed from such agreements.

Counsel assisting the royal commission, Gail Furness SC, asked her what she wanted to say to that.

Mrs Isaacs said: "Too little, too late.

"I was waiting and waiting and I heard the opening address from the (Catholic) Church this morning about how sorry they were for everything that happened and I went back to my letter and I couldn't find sorry anywhere.

"I was silenced for 12 years. It has been so difficult to live like that."

Vox Wrote:God help us, and help this woman in particular. I pray she hangs on to Christ and to His Church in spite of the great evils done to her. And I so pray our hierarchs deal with this stuff straight up, with none of the nonsense of, on the one side, silencing and not seeking the true Good for the victims, and, on the other, failing to protect our innocent priests -- the vast, VAST majority of priests! --  from the fallout from all of this. To their credit, it does seem as if things are being dealt with in terms of taking this seriously and not transferring the guilty about after having them go through therapy. The Bishops' no longer buying into pop psychology's take on all this was the best first step, and it is working, praise God. These problems are past problems in terms of men being in positions in the Church to cause harm. But the problems will likely never be "past" problems for the victims. They'll have to live with what was done to them, and the ramifications of it all, for the rest of their lives.

Whenever I think of this stuff and think about the victims, the shaken faith of those weak in the Faith, the wounds made to the Sacred Heart in all this, the blackening of the HOLY Church's image, the billions and billions of dollars paid out because of lawsuits, the closed parishes, etc., I have a desire to find one of these abusers, walk up to him and stare him right in the eyes and ask, "So, were the orgasms worth it?"



Can you please change the name of threads like this? Make them less descriptive? Something like "Priest Gets Convicted of Child Abuse" or something that gives you an idea of what the thread is about without actually knowing the specific details?

Some may not want to pervert their minds by constantly having people defecate in their brain reading this sort of material. The thread title was very descriptive and now some poor shmuck watching the Charlie Brown Christmas Special will have horrible thoughts running through his head. You basically created a trigger.

The only way you can clean your soul and mind from the evils of the world is by not dwelling on them and this thread title is forcing people to dwell on things they may not want to constantly think about, especially when watching the Charlie Brown Christmas Special for the 30th time in a row.

Concerns,
Skarga
If we don't think of it, the problem will go away. Right?

Besides, no one should be watching TV anyway.
Charlie Brown a trigger ?? A trigger ??

If they are like us here in the US this type of predator is rare. I believe it was about 10 percent of all the sex crimes in the John Jay report. That's not minimizing it. This is wrong, sinful, and a crime. As a red blooded man I can understand drooling over a 16 year old that looks like a well built sex kitten but cheez most 16 year old girls do not look like that.

Maybe I was lucky but I never saw anything like this when I was that age. Count me protected. We had a young priest arrive when I was in 6th grade. He was very tall for those days and all us boys wanted to play b-ball with him, and the girls went gaga over his looks. They'd ask him to help them lace up their skates. We skated in the gym on friday after school for the 7th and 8th grades. The Sisters ever watchful of us kids noticed and went to Archbishop Sheil, and the Father guilty of zero was gone.

tim
Skarga has an important point.  In the Eastern Church, people are taught not to expose themselves to anything that could soil or darken the nous (the spiritual heart, or intellectus in Scholastic terms).  (Our Lord refers to the nous as the eye of the soul.  Matthew 6:22-23.)  This means avoiding even any reference to impure things, violent images, etc.  There should be nothing controversial about this.  St. Paul, inspired by the Holy Ghost, tells us that such things should not even be mentioned among us.  Ephesians 5:3. 

Once you let these things into your soul, they do real damage, even if one is trying not to delight in them or enjoy them.

In our media-saturated culture, we've forgotten this.  We think it's normal to expose ourselves to anything, unless it's hardcore porn.  Wrong.  It's one reason I refuse to own a television.
(12-20-2013, 02:44 AM)jonbhorton Wrote: [ -> ]If we don't think of it, the problem will go away. Right?

Besides, no one should be watching TV anyway.

Why no TV? Everything is not bad. That's what a channel changer is for... Personally I like the cooking shows and travel programs on PBS. TV itself is neither good nor bad, it's what you do with it.
You're subsidizing all the filth you will not watch. You can find all the cooking and travel you want online, without subsidizing filth.

(12-20-2013, 08:37 AM)Clare Brigid Wrote: [ -> ]Skarga has an important point.  In the Eastern Church, people are taught not to expose themselves to anything that could soil or darken the nous (the spiritual heart, or intellectus in Scholastic terms).  (Our Lord refers to the nous as the eye of the soul.  Matthew 6:22-23.)  This means avoiding even any reference to impure things, violent images, etc.  There should be nothing controversial about this.  St. Paul, inspired by the Holy Ghost, tells us that such things should not even be mentioned among us.  Ephesians 5:3. 

Once you let these things into your soul, they do real damage, even if one is trying not to delight in them or enjoy them.

In our media-saturated culture, we've forgotten this.  We think it's normal to expose ourselves to anything, unless it's hardcore porn.  Wrong.  It's one reason I refuse to own a television.

To Karga:  threads with descriptive titles get clicked on.  I dislike non-descriptive thread titles, like "Question" or "Pope's Talk".  I want "Question about How to Go to Confession" or "Pope's Talk about the Liturgy." That's even in the rules, I believe.


In re. to this post:  The Bible itself is filled with violence and impure images. St. Paul, in the verse you cited, mentions fornication and covetousness by name.

We've got to deal with evil -- confront it and deal with it. From this site's page "The Story of Two Monks":


Two monks were making a pilgrimage to venerate the relics of a great Saint. During the course of their journey, they came to a river where they met a beautiful young woman -- an apparently worldly creature, dressed in expensive finery and with her hair done up in the latest fashion. She was afraid of the current and afraid of ruining her lovely clothing, so asked the brothers if they might carry her across the river.

The younger and more exacting of the brothers was offended at the very idea and turned away with an attitude of disgust. The older brother didn't hesitate, and quickly picked the woman up on his shoulders, carried her across the river, and set her down on the other side. She thanked him and went on her way, and the brother waded back through the waters.

The monks resumed their walk, the older one in perfect equanimity and enjoying the beautiful countryside, while the younger one grew more and more brooding and distracted, so much so that he could keep his silence no longer and suddenly burst out, "Brother, we are taught to avoid contact with women, and there you were, not just touching a woman, but carrying her on your shoulders!"

The older monk looked at the younger with a loving, pitiful smile and said, "Brother, I set her down on the other side of the river; you are still carrying her."

 
Matthew 15:10-20

And having called together the multitudes unto him, He said to them: Hear ye and understand. Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Then came His disciples, and said to Him: Dost thou know that the Pharisees, when they heard this word, were scandalized? But He answering them, said: Every plant which My heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit.

And Peter answering, said to Him: Expound to us this parable.

But He said: Are you also yet without understanding? Do you not understand, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the privy? But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man. For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. These are the things that defile a man. But to eat with unwashed hands doth not defile a man.


Matthew 23:23-28

Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness. Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness. So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

(12-20-2013, 02:10 AM)Skarga Wrote: [ -> ]Can you please change the name of threads like this? Make them less descriptive? Something like "Priest Gets Convicted of Child Abuse" or something that gives you an idea of what the thread is about without actually knowing the specific details?

Some may not want to pervert their minds by constantly having people defecate in their brain reading this sort of material. The thread title was very descriptive and now some poor shmuck watching the Charlie Brown Christmas Special will have horrible thoughts running through his head. You basically created a trigger.

The only way you can clean your soul and mind from the evils of the world is by not dwelling on them and this thread title is forcing people to dwell on things they may not want to constantly think about, especially when watching the Charlie Brown Christmas Special for the 30th time in a row.

Concerns,
Skarga

With all due respect, the girls this article is talking about had no choice but to have their minds and hearts and bodies violated by priests, of all people.  When a person undergoes sexual abuse, he does not just have to deal with memories imprinted on his brain for the rest of his life but often PTSD triggers are accompanied by physical sensations called body memories that also accompany a flashback.  It is not just unpleasant speech but actual experiences being played out over and over again in your mind.  Exersise empathy and imagine actually having to go through that.  The damage done to these girls is far, far more extensive than say, an article about said assault making you think of the Charlie Brown Christmas special.  The "trigger" you mentioned is not on the level of a PTSD trigger.

I went to a male survivors' of sexual assault support group for awhile and several men were abused as kids by clergy (not just Catholic clergy but one was abused in the episcopal church and one was abused by a Methodist youth minister).  The clergy abuse survivors all said that they can't church without getting a panic attack, flashback, body memory or some other awful thing.  I can't blame them... if my abuse happened in a church I'd probably have the same problem.  That's what PTSD does.  It rewires the connections in your brain.

It'd be nice to pretend these things never happened but the fact that there are victims who have suffered this way at the hands of priests, and they need our prayers.  We need to pray for the priesthood as a whole which is under attack.  When we read about the problems in the world we should face them head on like adults.