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This is an excerpt from the Book The Francis Effect: How the Pope is Changing The Catholic Church, by Author Sandro Contenta, as published in the Toronto Star Newspaper on December 19th.

This is a long read, to long to embed as text, so please follow the link.

http://www.stardispatches.com/single.php?id=74
(12-20-2013, 08:15 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: [ -> ]This is an excerpt from the Book The Francis Effect: How the Pope is Changing The Catholic Church, by Author Sandro Contenta, as published in the Toronto Star Newspaper on December 19th.

This is a long read, to long to embed as text, so please follow the link.

http://www.stardispatches.com/single.php?id=74

Hopefully this will all be proven false, otherwise God help us all! [Image: sad.gif]
(12-20-2013, 08:35 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-20-2013, 08:15 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: [ -> ]This is an excerpt from the Book The Francis Effect: How the Pope is Changing The Catholic Church, by Author Sandro Contenta, as published in the Toronto Star Newspaper on December 19th.

This is a long read, to long to embed as text, so please follow the link.

http://www.stardispatches.com/single.php?id=74

Hopefully this will all be proven false, otherwise God help us all! [Image: sad.gif]

Amen.
(12-20-2013, 08:39 PM)Oatmeal Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-20-2013, 08:35 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-20-2013, 08:15 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: [ -> ]This is an excerpt from the Book The Francis Effect: How the Pope is Changing The Catholic Church, by Author Sandro Contenta, as published in the Toronto Star Newspaper on December 19th.

This is a long read, to long to embed as text, so please follow the link.

http://www.stardispatches.com/single.php?id=74

Hopefully this will all be proven false, otherwise God help us all! [Image: sad.gif]

Amen.

Amen. 
It's the usual superficial journalistic stuff in the main. And when I see egregious errors like this I tune such journalists out: "For his tours of St. Peter’s Square to greet the faithful, he replaced the bullet-proof “popemobile,” used since John Paul II was almost killed by an assassin in 1981, with an open-backed jeep."

Oh really? Sheesh, Pope Benedict made extensive use of that jeep! This is only one shot of it, there are plenty of others! And Pope Benedict continued to use that jeep even after a crazed assailant lunged at it and tried to board it.

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I absolutely agree with Pope Francis's relationship to the poor, but this noise about reform and councils and surveys is I agree very scary.
The reporter's last name is contenta or happy. Hmmm ??

tim
Another problem is that he quotes Alberto Melloni who seems to think Pope Francis himself wrote the survey sent to bishops. The questions in fact come from the Congregation of Bishops and were apparently written by Abp. Lorenzo Baldisseri, the secretary general of the synod of bishops. Such questionnaires are typical before synods and pertain to pastoral practices, not to doctrine as the Vatican was at pains to point out when the National Catholic Reporter and other media distorted the meaning of the survey. It is also hard to argue that Baldisseri wanted the entire laity consulted when you consider the following: "Moreover, in his Oct. 18 letter asking that dioceses share the Preparatory Document for the 2014 synod “as widely as possible to deaneries and parishes,” Archbishop Baldisseri also noted that “since the time available is short, I would appreciate if you would follow the most brief and practical institutional process.”
Fr. Lombardi responded, stressing that the questions “are not regarding the doctrinal position of the Church,” explaining that the document has solely an advisory character, forming part of the habitual “praxis” of the synod of bishops.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/v...KU.twitter

It's interesting to note that Monsignor Ronny Jenkins of the USCCB forwarded the survey to individual bishops but seems only to be asking for their responses, not those of other clergy and laity:
"  In his correspondence, Archbishop Baldisseri requests the observations of the members of the Conference regarding the attached preparatory documents and questionnaire that will  provide a basis for the preparation of the  Lineamenta for the extraordinary synod."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/180575701/Vati...the-family

C.
Speaking of the Francis Effect

AP Wrote:SEATTLE — Students at a Seattle-area Catholic school are gaining national attention for their protest over the forced departure of a gay vice principal.
An online petition started by the senior class president of Eastside Catholic was the third fastest growing U.S. petition on change.org Friday, attracting around 15,000 signatures in one day.
The petition was launched after Vice Principal Mark Zmuda resigned under pressure from school administrators after they learned he had married his same-sex partner.

Bradley Strode said the students want to effect change within the wider Catholic Church, with an ultimate goal of altering the Catholic Church's stance on gay marriage.

"Realistically, what we can do is try to change the way the Catholic Church talks about gay marriage," said Strode, 17, of Bellevue. "I don't think it's right for a man who was such a good administrator to be fired for something that had no effect on his performance."

Strode said an on-campus protest Thursday was treated with respect by school staff. His argument is with the Seattle archdiocese and the broader church.

Strode, who describes himself as a confirmed Catholic who doesn't go to church every Sunday, said he and other young members of his faith have been inspired by Pope Francis' statements that the church should not judge homosexuals or interfere spiritually with the lives of gays and lesbians.


"That's one of the reasons why we feel like this protest can gain traction," he said.

Strode said both of his parents have applauded his advocacy, and most students at the school joined in the protest that began with a sit-in inside the school


Is this the good fruit of the Francis Effect??  >:(
(12-20-2013, 10:58 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of the Francis Effect

AP Wrote:SEATTLE — Students at a Seattle-area Catholic school are gaining national attention for their protest over the forced departure of a gay vice principal.
An online petition started by the senior class president of Eastside Catholic was the third fastest growing U.S. petition on change.org Friday, attracting around 15,000 signatures in one day.
The petition was launched after Vice Principal Mark Zmuda resigned under pressure from school administrators after they learned he had married his same-sex partner.

Bradley Strode said the students want to effect change within the wider Catholic Church, with an ultimate goal of altering the Catholic Church's stance on gay marriage.

"Realistically, what we can do is try to change the way the Catholic Church talks about gay marriage," said Strode, 17, of Bellevue. "I don't think it's right for a man who was such a good administrator to be fired for something that had no effect on his performance."

Strode said an on-campus protest Thursday was treated with respect by school staff. His argument is with the Seattle archdiocese and the broader church.

Strode, who describes himself as a confirmed Catholic who doesn't go to church every Sunday, said he and other young members of his faith have been inspired by Pope Francis' statements that the church should not judge homosexuals or interfere spiritually with the lives of gays and lesbians.


"That's one of the reasons why we feel like this protest can gain traction," he said.

Strode said both of his parents have applauded his advocacy, and most students at the school joined in the protest that began with a sit-in inside the school


Is this the good fruit of the Francis Effect??  >:(

No, it's the bad fruit of self-delusion. Pope Francis never said anything about not "interfering spiritually in the lives of gays," never said homosexual acts were OK, and never said it wasn't OK to say homosexual acts aren't OK. He said we shouldn't judge homosexuals, which the Church has always taught. People lie to themselves all the time if it makes them feel better. Please don't blame the Pope for that...

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