FishEaters Traditional Catholic Forums

Full Version: Pope’s New Cardinal Says Homosexuality is a Defect
You're currently viewing a stripped down version of our content. View the full version with proper formatting.
Pages: 1 2
I saw this report and thought it relevant to the recent discussions here on Fisheaters. It takes some intestinal fortitude to speak the truth to the world like this good Cardinal did. I especially liked how the Cardinal responded when the interviewer tried to be tricky and play him against the Holy Father by asking him if he shared the view of Pope Francis, who had said, "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"

Spain's new cardinal says homosexuality a 'defect'

Madrid (AFP) - Pope Francis' newly chosen Spanish cardinal, 84-year-old Fernando Sebastian Aguilar, has described homosexuality as a "defect" that can be corrected with treatment, sparking condemnation from gay rights groups.

"A lot of people complain and don't tolerate it but with all respect I say that homosexuality is a defective way of manifesting sexuality, because that has a structure and a purpose, which is procreation," Sebastian told Malaga newspaper Sur.

The interview was published Sunday, a week after the Spaniard was named as one of 19 new cardinals chosen by the pope, to be officially appointed February 22.

"We have a lot of defects in our bodies. I have high blood pressure. Am I going to get angry because they tell me that? It is a defect I have that I have to correct as far as I can," said Sebastian, who is the archbishop emeritus of the northern city of Pamplona.

"Pointing out a defect to a homosexual is not an offence, it is a help because many cases of homosexuality can be recovered and normalised with adequate treatment. It is not an offence, it is esteem. When someone has a defect, the good friend is the one who tells him."

The archbishop was asked in the interview if he shared the view of Pope Francis, who said in July last year: "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"

The Spanish archbishop, who, because of his age, will not hold a vote in the conclave that elects pontiffs, said the pope shows respect to all people but is not changing the teaching of the Church.

"It is one thing to show welcome and affection to a homosexual person and another to morally justify the exercise of homosexuality," he said.

Gay and lesbian rights group Colegas called on the archbishop to retract his comment.

"We hope that Fernando Sebastian will correct his words and we note that homosexuality is not a curable disease, but homophobia is," it said in a statement.

Nicolas Fernandez, head of the Malaga-based gay and lesbian rights group Entiende, added his condemnation.

"It is not the first time the cardinals have said we are defective," he said, calling for non-discrimination legislation that would condemn such "repugnant" statements.

Deos Gratias :)

Let us pray for more bishops like this
Just wanted to point out he is a Cardinal-designate, not a Cardinal.  If the Holy Father passed before the Consistory, he doesn't become a Cardinal.
The media is rushing things like always. :readrules:

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOiriA4Xub_bfkpbZv_ig...2dWsJ3faqy]
That is University of Navarra country. Opus Dei area of Spain big time. Good for the Archbishop Emeritus.
Is defect the correct word? He sounds a bit too protestant to me. As in evangelicals that think that homosexuality can be "cured" and you can become a straight male by simply working on it.
(01-20-2014, 04:59 PM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]Is defect the correct word? He sounds a bit too protestant to me. As in evangelicals that think that homosexuality can be "cured" and you can become a straight male by simply working on it.

Didn't know Lady Gagaism was a tenant of being a Catholic

You know some people actually don't buy into the gay mafia's claim that one is just "born that way" and science has proven there is no gay gene. It could very well in-fact be just as treatable as porn-addiction and chronic masturbation, if people were honestly allowed to seek a treatment without the homosexual community seeking to burn heretics at the stake. We all know the APA called it a "treatable mental disorder" until 1973 when politics replaced Science.

Some people actually left the homosexual lifestyle...but I'm sure they were never "gay" to begin with, just as someone cured of cancer never had cancer to begin with...their bodies were just experimenting with cancer.
(01-20-2014, 04:59 PM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]Is defect the correct word?

The Catholic Church teaches that attraction to one's own sex is an "inclination" which is "objectively disordered."  Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2358.

Since this is what the Catholic Church teaches, I think that we should use this language and try to understand this language better.
Drive-by contrarianism:

I don't think the genetic research has said there is no gay gene. They just claim to have not found it yet. Think of a trial: not guilty is not a declaration of innocence.

Genetics are still very lacking in understanding. Just recently they discovered an entire code underneath the previously known code.

That said, I don't believe homosexual inclinations are genetic. Logically, until IVF, it would have been a self-correcting problem.

Gtg; looking forward to spittle-flecked responses!
Of course it's a defect.  Just like all of my sins, all of my sinful inclinations:  they are also not things I should "celebrate," excuse as originating with my birth or before, rationalize that I have an entire new body of psychology and morality to present to the world and to God ("eating from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil"), etc.

God alone is the source of the differences between good and evil, and He has declared through His Church precisely what is good and what is evil.

There is no gray matter here.  And there is also no reason to make an Exception for this particular sinful inclination.  Clinging to it as "an identity" reveals an attachment to it. None of us will ever enter Heaven attached to our sinful inclinations, no matter what the category of those inclinations.  Either we repudiate those, radically, or we remain separated from God.
I think defect is a perfectly good term for it. Something's wrong. That's all it means in general. The geneticists and theologians can talk for ages about exactly what is wrong or where it begins to be defective, but in the end, you can't go wrong by saying that something is broken. Maybe it can be fixed. Maybe not. But in itself, it is something that is broken.
Pages: 1 2