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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-crow.html

Both doves got away from their attackers.  One attacked by a crow (I've never seen a crow like that, though) and the other attacked by a seagull.
I read the topic title as "Pope Francis attacked by birds," separate of the rest of the title and pictured a pontiff flailing wildly from a balcony somewhere at a flock of angry birds.

Anyway, this is something that's known to happen sometimes.
(01-27-2014, 02:16 AM)LoneWolfRadTrad Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-crow.html

Both doves got away from their attackers.  One attacked by a crow (I've never seen a crow like that, though) and the other attacked by a seagull.




Maybe it’s a message. Doves representing the people of God, others birds representing other people, people of Satan.

From Catholic encyclopedia, Dove:  A symbol of martyrdom it indicated the action of the Holy Spirit in bestowal of the fortitude necessary for the endurance of suffering.

So the message is: there will be no peace. Other people will persecute real Christians. The escape from other birds indicates a finished martyrdom, and their flight indicates contemplation and love whereby they enter the freedom of heaven.

To have peace in the world there should be the kingdom of God in the soul of man. If the majority of people are bound by 7 capital vices, brake 10 Commandments etc…..how can you have peace in the world? Some theologians need to start thinking straight, but how can they if the lost grace through grave sin. Do they have knowledge, understanding, wisdom…?
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.


Maybe theologians need the explanation of traditional priest and theologian Fr.  Remler'e reasoning!

Expiation of Public and National Sins
By: Rev F.J. Remler, C.M. (1935)

As a member of society and a citizen of your country, you must unite with the rest in making the atonement and reparation which Divine Justice requires for the public and national sins committed in the community in which you live.
By public and national sins we understand certain sins of a graver nature which are committed on so large a scale and by so many persons in a community, be it a city, or a province, or an entire nation, that are attributed to the community as a body and not merely to this or that individual. Sins of this kind are: Apostasy from Faith, irreligion and forgetfulness of God; godless education of the young; profanation of God’s holy Name, cursing, blasphemy and perjury; the desecration of the Lord’s Day; immodest and scandalous fashions; immoral art, literature and amusements; divorce and adultery sanctioned by iniquitous state laws; dishonesty, injustice and oppression of the poor; murder and race suicide; (*Homosexuality and abortion); and finally, those wild orgies of gross immorality and unrestrained license which periodically disgrace, public festivities and celebrations, or occur in connection with balls, dances, banquets and the like.

God is exceedingly patient and long-suffering, and does not willingly inflict general chastisements, however richly they may be deserved by a community. He ether desires that His offending children seek His pardon by means of a timely repentance and conversion. He waited a hundred years before He sent the deluge which He had commissioned Noe to announce; He allowed forty years to elapse between the prediction of Our Lord of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the fulfillment of that prediction by the Romans in the year 70; and He spared the city of Ninive altogether because its inhabitants immediately left off sinning and hastened to do penance at the preaching of Jonas.
God acts in this way still. He often waits a long time before He inflicts on sinful cities and nations those more extensive chastisements which their multiplied iniquities call for. He desires to spare them to a sense of their duty and to timely repentance and conversion. But if in spite of these delays they obstinately refuse to enter into themselves and to leave off sinning; if they continue in their wickedness, sometimes even to the extent of sinning more boldly because their evil deeds are not punished at once then the hour must come in which the measure of their iniquity is filled to overflowing. That hour will mark the beginning of some general visitation which will fall heavily on the guilty community as a just punishment of its long, continued transgressions of God’s Holy Law – destructive floods or storms, conflagrations, earthquakes; seasons of scarcity and famine; epidemics and pestilences; and especially the horrors of rebellions and revolutions, and of civil and international wars.

Divine Justice makes use of these evils for the punishment and correction of a sinful people much the same as a wise father uses the rod for the chastisement and betterment of a wayward child.
Nor is it always necessary that God send such chastisement for public sins, as He sent the deluge or the destruction of Jerusalem. There are many sins which contain in themselves the seed of future public suffering, just as the acorn contains the gigantic oak. If such sins prevail for a sufficiently long time, unchecked and unrepented, they are bound to produce such conditions in the social order as make certain calamities unavoidable.
Take, for example, the sin of godless education, that is, education of youth without religion. Where such a system has been adopted, the necessary results must be the following; After two or three generations the knowledge of God will disappear more or less completely among the people; the sense of right and wrong will be lost; good will be called evil, and evil good; there will be no more respect for the moral law; the depravity of youth will grow worse and worse; dishonesty and corruption will prevail in business, in the courts, in the legislature, and in the government itself; taxes will be misappropriated or disappear in the pockets of grafters; heavy expenses will be necessary to maintain the growing number of asylums, juvenile courts, reform schools and prisons; there will be no security to honor property and life; the relations between capital and labor will be strained to the breaking point, so that violence and bloodshed will become inevitable, family life will be disrupted by adultery, divorce and free love, national rivalries, jealousies and hatreds, provoked by commercial greed, grow more and more intense, until they lead to international wars with their unspeakable misery to millions. Nations that sow the whirlwind must reap the storm.
Public and national sins must be expiated in this world for very simple reason that they cannot be expiated in the next. In the world to come families, cities provinces and nations will have continued corporate existence. There, men and women will exist merely as individuals, without being united by those social, civil, political and national bonds which are necessary in this life for well-being and preservation of the human race. In eternity, they will individually enjoy the fruits of their life on earth-the good will possess the kingdom of God in Heaven, while the wicked shall suffer for the evil deeds in the unquenchable fire of Hell. But as public sins receive public expiation, and as this expiation cannot be made in this next life, it is clear that it must be made on this side of the grave.
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2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days  perilous times shall come. 2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Seagulls and crows are the most hated birds on earth. There is nothing worse than waking up at 5 in the morning and hearing CAW CAW CAW! while those piercing dark eyes stare at you. And lets not forget those parasitic scavengers called seagulls, everyone who feeds ducks/geese/swans hate those guys.

Seagulls are parasites with wings. Crows are serpents with wings. Do the math.
(01-27-2014, 02:16 AM)LoneWolfRadTrad Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-crow.html

Both doves got away from their attackers.  One attacked by a crow (I've never seen a crow like that, though) and the other attacked by a seagull.

I have to mention the meaning of birds. As I already said, doves represent the people of God, others birds represent other people, people of Satan.

I talked to my mom and she said birds represent:

Black crow: secret societies, globalists, socialist, atheists,  perverts etc.
Seagull: stands for internal attack and persecution of faithful Catholics by their own. These would be modernists, apostate Christians, disobedient clergy, false Catholics etc.

And then I was thinking about two doves and what came into my mind is that one stands for faithful Catholics and the other for faithful people of other faiths, the just and invincibly ignorant Gentiles who are virtues, just and lead a holy life.
so ive heard the doves represent children

the crows represent the priests

and the seagull represents the popes whove turned a blind eye.



It's NOT a sign....

unless it's a sign that the crows and seagulls are hungry and the doves are tasty.
I've been an avid bird person my whole life. Except for my time here in Hanoi and in the military, I have owned one kind of bird or another, so I've learned a little something about them.

The truth is, birds attacking other birds is quite common. It happens all the time. There are many reasons why birds attack other birds. If a bird is injured or sick, for example, it does it's best to hide it from the other birds in the flock so that they don't attack him (this makes it difficult for bird owners as they don't know when their bird is sick or injured until it's too late). Birds love/hate certain colors. I had a parrotlet once that freaked whenever he saw the color red; I could not have anything red in my apartment (even my clothing). A few weeks ago, a beautiful quaker landed next to my office window. Knowing that it would get attacked if spotted, I ran outside to catch it. I had my hands on him but he was understandably scared and he bit me so hard that I couldn't hang on. I watched him fly away, only to get attacked by a larger bird (he was very colorful). Birds are unpredictable creatures.

This is no sign: the crow and seagulls probably saw the doves sitting in the windows and waited for them to  fly out.
what if the birds had pooped? would that have been a sign to nuke the earth into a glass orb?

It could be a sign. It happened in front of the Pope. Whose to say God doesn't use things like comets or bird attacks to mean something deeper?
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