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(02-28-2014, 09:15 PM)cunctas_haereses Wrote: [ -> ]How about praying for the conversion of AMERICA!?!?!?!

I am all for that!  :)
(02-28-2014, 09:18 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-28-2014, 09:15 PM)cunctas_haereses Wrote: [ -> ]How about praying for the conversion of AMERICA!?!?!?!

I am all for that!  :)

Sure folks, perhaps you should this take it up with Our Lady... She never asked us to pray for the conversion of AMERiCA...  :blah:
(02-28-2014, 09:30 PM)CaptCrunch73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-28-2014, 09:18 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-28-2014, 09:15 PM)cunctas_haereses Wrote: [ -> ]How about praying for the conversion of AMERICA!?!?!?!

I am all for that!  :)

Sure folks, perhaps you should this take it up with Our Lady... She never asked us to pray for the conversion of AMERiCA...  :blah:

Sr. Lucia did say the Consecration has happened, so........  :Hmm:

Either way, what is wrong for praying for the conversion of America?
(02-28-2014, 09:34 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-28-2014, 09:30 PM)CaptCrunch73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-28-2014, 09:18 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-28-2014, 09:15 PM)cunctas_haereses Wrote: [ -> ]How about praying for the conversion of AMERICA!?!?!?!

I am all for that!  :)

Sure folks, perhaps you should this take it up with Our Lady... She never asked us to pray for the conversion of AMERiCA...  :blah:

Sr. Lucia did say the Consecration has happened, so........  :Hmm:

Either way, what is wrong for praying for the conversion of America?

Nothing is wrong for praying for the conversion of America....it's just that Russia's going to be instrumental in converting the rest of the world once Russia has herself converted.  This conversion will not happen until Russia has been properly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Holy Father and all the Catholic bishops of the world in one public ceremony.

The proper consecration entails consecrating the nation of Russia specifically by name.  Russia, not the world, not youth searching for meaning, not the lonely elderly, etc.  Sr. Lucia said the 1984 consecration had been accepted by Heaven, not that the consecration had been done in the manner commanded by both our Lord and Lady.

Previous consecrations by various popes have bestowed graces (shortening of WWII, fall of the Iron Curtain, etc.) on the world, but these graces have been limited because they did not include a command from the popes that the bishops join in the consecration and/or they did not make Russia the specific object of the consecration.

When Sr. Lucia asked our Lord why He would not grant peace to mankind without the specific consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart, He replied that He wanted the entire world to recognize that Russia had been granted this miraculous grace of conversion because of the act of consecration.  For the world to recognize Russia's conversion - not just to Christianity, but to the one, true Catholic faith - as miraculous, it would have to be a virtually overnight conversion, not a slow, gradual process as some have said.  He further told Sr. Lucia that He wanted the world-wide recognition of the miraculous nature of this conversion in order to establish devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary alongside of devotion to His Sacred Heart.

One final point.  This is not some history concocted by Fr. Nicholas Gruner since the late 1970's, but was part of the Fatima history well before Fr. Gruner ever established his Fatima Center apostolate and even before Fr. Gruner was ordained to the priesthood.
If you compare modern Russia you have them outlawing Homosexuals acts, supporting Christian values, supporting the traditional family.  In contract the government in the United States is pushing for homosexual unions, unnatural marriage is hostile to Christianity.  I would say Russia is looking very much converted to me. 

What is happening in the Ukraine is an attempt by western powers to seize control of the country in order to shackle it to Western bankers.  Once this happens the wealth of the country will be funneled to the central bankers and those who want to user in a world government.  Russia sees this.  President Yanukovych also saw this.  The central bankers (IMF) offered Ukraine a few billion dollars in loans in exchange for interest PLUS land guarantees if they default.  Putin offered the Ukraine 15 billion dollars in GRANTS in exchange for NOTHING.

Russia sees what happens when country gets involved with the IMF.  Look at Greece. 

The current "people" running the "government" in the Ukraine are terrorists.  They stormed the legitimate government of the Ukraine and forceably  ejected the democratically elected government.  This is called terrorism.  The fact that the USA and EU is backing the "new" government PROVES that it is illegitimate.  If I was Putin I would use force to restore the proper government.  The people of the Ukraine can elect a new government at the proper time.

DO NOT believe what you hear from western news sources.  Russia is 100% right in backing the Yanukovych government.  Despite what what people think of Yanukovych, he was making the BEST financial decision for his country when he supported Russia.  What would you do?  2-3 billion in LOANS from the west or 15 billion in FREE MONEY from Russia?  70% of the population of Eastern Ukraine is RUSSIAN anyway. 

The US routinely gives money to counties that would otherwise collapse, just because he have a strategic interest in that location.  Look at Isreal.  If it were not for the USA it would not exist.  Imagine a band of Mexican's in Arizona storming the capitol and ejecting the current government by force.  Now imagine Mexico announces they are supporting the "New" government in Arizona and warns the USA to NOT do anything about it.  How long do you think that will last?  This is the EXACT same thing that is happening in the Ukraine.  We are supporting a terrorist overthrow of the legitimate government of the Ukraine.  It is Egypt all over again.
(03-03-2014, 02:30 AM)moon1234 Wrote: [ -> ]If you compare modern Russia you have them outlawing Homosexuals acts, supporting Christian values, supporting the traditional family.  In contract the government in the United States is pushing for homosexual unions, unnatural marriage is hostile to Christianity.  I would say Russia is looking very much converted to me. 

While I am in complete agreement with you about being skeptical of the Western media I think you are naive about the Russian Church.

"The fact is that Soviet ideology has not yet disappeared in the ex-USSR. We see this very clearly with the demonstrations in Ukraine against corruption, but also more generally against a state whose fundamental architecture is has not evolved since Stalin. But – and it is terrible for me to have to write this – it is not only in the streets of Kyiv that busts of Lenin are still in place. Soviet ideology is still deeply rooted equally in the heart and ecclesial mentality of the hierarchy of the Moscow Patriarchate. That these hierarchs react at the same time against the spiritual desire of the Ukrainian people for democracy, and against the thirst of the people of God to pursue the unity of the Church is for me deeply significant. The Moscow Patriarchate suffers for not having repented, for not having been purified of the long years of compromise with the Soviet power. As demonstrated more and more by Russian Church specialists in France (K. Rousselet) and Russia (N. Mitrokhin), this Church no sense of history, and does not grasp the new issues in the present time of globalisation. I would add that she shows a cynicism that is becoming more and more revolting. This explains why the majority of intellectuals are sadly and silently leaving this Church, and why a powerful anti-clericalism is spreading in the hearts of the Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarussian peoples."

http://priestofthechurch.wordpress.com/2...anslation/
If Russia is generally Orthodox or atheistic, and America is generally Protestant or atheistic, I'd rather the less-evil mixture conquer than the more-evil mixture. This present situation is a game of grey, not of black and white. Let's just hope some idiot doesn't shoot off a nuke for Motherland or for Exceptionalism. America and Russia both piss me off, because they're both jingoistic non-Catholic countries. The Catholic countries are all too weak to exert real influence, probably because of the Protestant heart being bound up in the spirit of Capitalism. Communism is just as evil, but at least Russia isn't Protestant. Messy, messy, messy.

The older I get, the less I care about who has hegemony in the world. Russians may want glory for Russia, and Americans may want glory for America, but the glory of Jesus Christ the King is ignored by both. Sure, the Orthodox are better than Protestants, but it's hardly an Orthodox vs. Protestant situation, is it? This is about worldly power and wealth, yet again. Ho-hum. Christ will reign, and the Church cannot be destroyed, even if it's reduced to a single man on Earth.

Pray, and don't worry. :)
(03-03-2014, 10:16 AM)Heorot Wrote: [ -> ]If Russia is generally Orthodox or atheistic, and America is generally Protestant or atheistic, I'd rather the less-evil mixture conquer than the more-evil mixture. This present situation is a game of grey, not of black and white. Let's just hope some idiot doesn't shoot off a nuke for Motherland or for Exceptionalism. America and Russia both piss me off, because they're both jingoistic non-Catholic countries. The Catholic countries are all too weak to exert real influence, probably because of the Protestant heart being bound up in the spirit of Capitalism. Communism is just as evil, but at least Russia isn't Protestant. Messy, messy, messy.

The older I get, the less I care about who has hegemony in the world. Russians may want glory for Russia, and Americans may want glory for America, but the glory of Jesus Christ the King is ignored by both. Sure, the Orthodox are better than Protestants, but it's hardly an Orthodox vs. Protestant situation, is it? This is about worldly power and wealth, yet again. Ho-hum. Christ will reign, and the Church cannot be destroyed, even if it's reduced to a single man on Earth.

Pray, and don't worry. :)

In principle I agree and in my day to day activities that's how I live.

The original point of this thread has to do with what is going on in Russia and how it may be related to what Our Lady said at Fatima. While I realize private revelation is not binding on the faithful nor is it everyone's cup of tea. I thought there was some interesting correlations.
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