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Obama said:
Quote:    Today, Michelle and I join Catholics around the world in celebrating the canonization of Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II.

    The work and witness of both Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II shaped not only the Catholic Church but the world.  Pope John XXIII articulated powerful roles for the Church in the cause of global peace and justice, and by convening the Second Vatican Council he revolutionized not only aspects of worship but the Catholic Church’s relationship with other faith communities.  Pope John Paul II helped inspire the Solidarity movement in Poland, a movement that spread and eventually helped to end communism in Eastern Europe, and he spoke out forcefully against apartheid in South Africa and genocide in Rwanda.  He had a special rapport with young people, drawing many of them to the Church’s work and teachings.

    We celebrate these Saints and the leadership of His Holiness Pope Francis, and we look forward to continuing to work with Pope Francis and Catholics around the world to advance peace and justice for all people.
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Oh.
(05-01-2014, 01:55 PM)lauermar Wrote:Polish Solidarity
The word "solidarity" itself has socialistic connotations; it means "collective responsibility"! The OED continues, saying the "Polish Solidarność [is] the name of an independent trade-union movement in Poland, registered in September 1980 and officially banned in October 1982."
Is there a point you are trying to make?
(05-01-2014, 02:30 PM)J Michael Wrote: [ -> ]Is there a point you are trying to make?
I'm just trying to understand what Solidarność was. Just because they supported democracy, does that mean they were anti-socialist?
(05-01-2014, 03:06 PM)Geremia Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-01-2014, 02:30 PM)J Michael Wrote: [ -> ]Is there a point you are trying to make?
I'm just trying to understand what Solidarność was. Just because they supported democracy, does that mean they were anti-socialist?

You're trying to derail your own thread? LOL LOL

Try this: http://www.solidarnosc.org.pl/en/ or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_...e_union%29

What has this got to do with Obama and Ss. JPII and John XXIII?  Am I missing something?
(05-01-2014, 02:25 PM)Geremia Wrote: [ -> ]solidarity" itself has socialistic connotations; it means "collective responsibility"!

It's a word popularized by Pius XII, (cf Summi Pontificatus 35) and is essentially the same as the "friendship" described by Leo XIII (cf. Rerum Novarum 25).  It is also seen as the same as "social charity," a phrase used by Pius XI often, but which he doesn't really ever define, as far as I have seen.

The CCC sums it up:

CCC Wrote:III. HUMAN SOLIDARITY

1939 The principle of solidarity, also articulated in terms of "friendship" or "social charity," is a direct demand of human and Christian brotherhood.45  An error, "today abundantly widespread, is disregard for the law of human solidarity and charity, dictated and imposed both by our common origin and by the equality in rational nature of all men, whatever nation they belong to. This law is sealed by the sacrifice of redemption offered by Jesus Christ on the altar of the Cross to his heavenly Father, on behalf of sinful humanity."46

1940 Solidarity is manifested in the first place by the distribution of goods and remuneration for work. It also presupposes the effort for a more just social order where tensions are better able to be reduced and conflicts more readily settled by negotiation.

1941 Socio-economic problems can be resolved only with the help of all the forms of solidarity: solidarity of the poor among themselves, between rich and poor, of workers among themselves, between employers and employees in a business, solidarity among nations and peoples. International solidarity is a requirement of the moral order; world peace depends in part upon this.

1942 The virtue of solidarity goes beyond material goods. In spreading the spiritual goods of the faith, the Church has promoted, and often opened new paths for, the development of temporal goods as well. And so throughout the centuries has the Lord's saying been verified: "Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well":47

For two thousand years this sentiment has lived and endured in the soul of the Church, impelling souls then and now to the heroic charity of monastic farmers, liberators of slaves, healers of the sick, and messengers of faith, civilization, and science to all generations and all peoples for the sake of creating the social conditions capable of offering to everyone possible a life worthy of man and of a Christian.48
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1948 Solidarity is an eminently Christian virtue. It practices the sharing of spiritual goods even more than material ones.

45 Cf. John Paul II, SRS 38-40; CA 10.
46 Pius XII, Summi pontificatus, October 20, 1939; AAS 31 (1939) 423 ff.
47 Mt 6:33.
48 Pius XII, Discourse, June 1, 1941.
(05-01-2014, 03:18 PM)J Michael Wrote: [ -> ]What has this got to do with Obama and Ss. JPII and John XXIII?
Obama himself mentioned the Polish Solidarity movement in reference to John Paul II.
(05-01-2014, 03:32 PM)SaintSebastian Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-01-2014, 02:25 PM)Geremia Wrote: [ -> ]solidarity" itself has socialistic connotations; it means "collective responsibility"!

It's a word popularized by Pius XII, (cf Summi Pontificatus 35) and is essentially the same as the "friendship" described by Leo XIII (cf. Rerum Novarum 25).  It is also seen as the same as "social charity," a phrase used by Pius XI often, but which he doesn't really ever define, as far as I have seen.
"sodalitium"?
(05-01-2014, 04:34 PM)Geremia Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-01-2014, 03:18 PM)J Michael Wrote: [ -> ]What has this got to do with Obama and Ss. JPII and John XXIII?
Obama himself mentioned the Polish Solidarity movement in reference to John Paul II.

So....?

Are you fishing for something?  You could just google "Pope John Paul II and Solidarity" and check out the links.
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