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Apparently Marta Heizer, the leader of We Are Church, together with her husband Gert, got excommunicated by the pope for simulating masses. There's news in German, perhaps someone could translate?
http://www.kath.net/news/46028
My german has become rather rusty these last thirty years, used google translate for this. I've no doubt we have someone who can do better.

From the german:

"Martha Heizer hatte gemeinsam mit ihrem Mann regelmäßig Messfeiern simuliert. Jetzt hat Rom durchgegriffen und beide exkommuniziert - Theologische Fakultität Innsbruck: Heizer soll wegen fehlendem Studium auf Selbstbezeichnung "Theologin" verzichten
Rom (kath.net)
Papst Franziskus hat die Vorsitzende der antirömischen Plattform „Wir sind Kirche“, Martha Heizer (67), und ihren Ehemann Gert exkommuniziert. Dies berichtet die "Tiroler Tageszeitung" am Donnerstag. Weil die beiden Tiroler regelmäßig Eucharistiefeiern simulierten, wurden sie wegen eines schweren Vergehens („delictum gravius“) mit der Exkommunikation belegt, d.h. sie wurden von den kirchlichen Sakramenten ausgeschlossen. Bischof Scheuer wollte gestern Abend das Dekret Roms übergeben, dies wurde von beiden aber zurückgewiesen. Die Vorsitzende der Plattform „Wir sind Kirche“ und Mitinitiatorin des Kirchenvolksbegehrens zeigte sich "erschüttert über die Vorgehensweise" Roms."

Here in more or less english:

"Martha Heater was simulated together with her husband regularly Masses. Now Rome has cracked down and both excommunicated - Theological Fakultität Innsbruck: Heater is due to lack of studies renounce self-designation "theologian"
Rome (kath.net)
Francis Pope excommunicated the chairman of the anti-Roman platform "We are Church" Martha Heater (67), and her husband, Gert. This reports the "Tiroler Tageszeitung" on Thursday. Because the two Tyrolean simulated celebrations of the Eucharist regularly, they were because of a serious offense ("delictum gravius​​") occupied by excommunication, ie they were excluded from the Church's sacraments. Bishop Scheuer wanted yesterday evening passed the decree of Rome, but this was rejected by both. The chairman of the platform "We are Church" and helped launch the church referendum was "shocked by the approach" of Rome."
Cant not believe it of humble  Francis  how mean how un Vac II.
Great! Here's hoping he goes after pro-abort politicians.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/201...municated/
Senior figure in We are Church movement is excommunicated
By STAFF REPORTER on Thursday, 22 May 2014
A senior figure in the We are Church movement has been excommunicated, the Austrian media have reported.

Martha Holzer and her husband, Gert, were excommunicated for “simulating the Mass”, according to the website Kath.net.

Mrs Holzer is a leading personality in We are Church, which was founded in 1995 in Austria, German and South Tyrol and seeks liberal reforms within the Catholic Church.

According to reports, the 67-year-old regularly took part in “private Eucharistic celebrations” at her home with no priest present. The Church considers the simulation of the Mass a delictum gravius, or “grave delict”.

Bishop Manfred Scheuer of Innsbruck described the development as a “self-excommunication”, which he said was “not a victory, but always a defeat for the Church”.

In a statement Martha and Gert Holzer said they were “immensely shocked” by the excommunications.
So they excommunicated themselves by simulating Masses, the Pope just made it formal. God have mercy. There's so much heresy in the world.  :((
It has nothing to do with the pope. It's just the media that likes saying "pope excommunicates", and kath.net is unfortunately quoting media here.
The excommunication was declared by the local diocesan court.
(05-22-2014, 01:42 PM)Freudentaumel Wrote: [ -> ]It has nothing to do with the pope. It's just the media that likes saying "pope excommunicates", and kath.net is unfortunately quoting media here.
The excommunication was declared by the local diocesan court.

Either way, I hope there's more of them coming. Excommunication is merciful, it's supposed to bring you back into the fold. Maybe a few people will "wake up" to the truth... or at least we'll start separating the sheep from the goats.
(05-22-2014, 03:14 AM)PolishTrad Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently Marta Heizer, the leader of We Are Church, together with her husband Gert, got excommunicated by the pope for simulating masses. There's news in German, perhaps someone could translate?
http://www.kath.net/news/46028
Here's an Italian report:
http://www.tempi.it/papa-francesco-ha-sc...-il-marito

Quote:Papa Francesco ha scomunicato Martha Heizer, co-fondatrice e presidente di “Wir sind Kirche” (Noi siamo Chiesa), una delle organizzazioni cattoliche più critiche verso la Chiesa e il suo magistero. Il caso Heizer era scoppiato nel 2011, quando la donna, insegnante di religione a Innsbruck, in Austria, decise di sfidare il Vaticano sulla questione del sacerdozio femminile annunciando la sua intenzione di celebrare l’Eucarestia nella sua casa di Absam, piccolo comune nei pressi del capoluogo tirolese. In seguito la signora 67enne cominciò effettivamente a officiare regolarmente la Messa insieme al marito Gert (anche lui scomunicato), davanti ad altri fedeli e in assenza di sacerdoti, e la Congregazione per la dottrina della fede istituì la commissione che adesso ha stabilito la scomunica. La pratica teorizzata e realizzata dalla teologa, infatti, profanando il sacramento dell’Eucarestia rientra per la Chiesa tra i “delicta graviora”, al pari della pedofilia e dei crimini contro la Penitenza.

«SIAMO INDIGNATI». Come ha riportato per primo il Tiroler Tageszeitung, ieri sera il vescovo di Innsbruck Manfred Scheuer ha voluto consegnare personalmente il decreto di Roma a Marta e Gert Heizer, ma la coppia lo ha respinto. Questa mattina poi i due hanno divulgato un comunicato in cui si dicono scioccati per la scelta della Chiesa. «Ci indigna profondamente il fatto di ritrovarci nella stessa categoria dei preti colpevoli di abusi. Ma siamo amareggiati soprattutto perché non conosciamo un solo caso in cui un colpevole di abusi sia stato scomunicato. (…) Non abbiamo accettato il decreto, ma al contrario lo abbiamo respinto. Non abbiamo mai accettato il processo nella sua struttura e conseguentemente non accettiamo neanche la condanna. Continueremo a impegnarci con maggior forza per la riforma della Chiesa cattolica. Proprio questo modo di procedere mostra con quanta urgenza essa abbia bisogno di un rinnovamento».

IL GRUPPO. Il movimento “Wir sind Kirche”, oggi uno dei più numerosi e sicuramente tra i più attivi in Europa nel promuovere modifiche in senso progressista della dottrina cattolica, nacque intorno a un piccolo gruppo di cattolici di Innsbruck capitanato da Thomas Plankesteiner e appunto da Martha Heizer – ricorda Giacomo Galeazzi per il Vatican Insider – che nell’aprile del 1995 pubblicò un “Appello dal popolo di Dio” rivolto alla gerarchia della Chiesa per chiedere proprio l’introduzione del sacerdozio femminile, oltre a una maggiore democrazia, all’abolizione del celibato dei preti e all’adeguamento della morale sessuale ai costumi moderni. Il testo raccolse moltissime adesioni in tutto il continente ma soprattutto in Austria e in Germania (rispettivamente 505 mila e 1,8 milioni di firme).
quickly edited machine translation Wrote:Pope Francis excommunicated Martha Heizer, co-founder and president of " Wir sind Kirche " ( We Are the Church ) , one of the organizations most critical of the Catholic Church and its teachings . The case of Heizer broke out in 2011, when the woman, a teacher of religion in Innsbruck, Austria, decided to challenge the Vatican on the issue of women priests announcing her intention to celebrate the Eucharist at her home in Absam, a small town near of Innsbruck .  The 67 year old lady actually began to regularly officiate the Mass with her husband, Gert (who was also excommunicated), in front of other believers and in the absence of priests, and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith established the orgazination has now been excommunicated. The practice theorized and conducted by the theologian, in fact, profaning the sacrament of the Eucharist, is for the Church a "delicta graviora ", like pedophilia and crimes against Penance.

"We are outraged." As first reported the Tiroler Tageszeitung, yesterday evening the Bishop of Innsbruck Manfred Scheuer wanted to personally deliver the decree of Rome to Martha Heizer and Gert, but the couple dismissed it. This morning then the two have released a statement in which he said he is shocked by the reaction of the Church. "We deeply indignant at the fact finding ourselves in the same category of priests guilty of abuse. But we are especially bitter because we do not know a single case in which a person guilty of abuse has been excommunicated. (...) We did not accept the decree, but on the contrary we have rejected it. We have never accepted the decree in its structure and consequently we do not accept either the sentence. We will continue to engage with greater force to reform the Catholic Church. Precisely this approach shows how urgently it needs a renewal. "

THE GROUP. The movement "Wir sind Kirche", one of the most numerous and certainly among the most active in Europe in promoting progressive changes in the sense of Catholic doctrine, was born around a small group of Catholics led by Thomas Innsbruck Plankesteiner and precisely by Martha Heizer - remember Giacomo Galeazzi Vatican Insider for - that in April 1995 he published an "Appeal by the people of God" addressed to the hierarchy of the Church to ask for the introduction of women priests, in addition to greater democracy, the abolition of celibacy the priests and the adjustment of sexual morality to modern customs. The text of many accessions collected across the continent but especially in Austria and Germany (respectively 505 000 and 1.8 million signatures).
Although priests sodomizing children is sacrilege, is it as bad as profaning the Holy Eucharist? Matters of faith are far more serious than moral matters.
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