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Friends,

When you are riding in a bus or walking on a sidewalk in the middle of June or July in a Western city, you are likely to see a Gay Pride parade. If you don't get to see a full celebration of diversity, you are at least likely to see its remains and vestiges: random people holding rainbow flags, loud music booming from the downtown area, posters, pamphlets, ads, etc.

Apart from prayer for the lost and confused, how do you personally deal with these things? How do you react to them? Are you full of pity, or anger, or sadness, or worry? Do you make a public sign of the Cross? Do you speak to those who are enjoying their "Freedom" in the bondage of sin?

This is about personal lives, personal experiences, and public faith...
I ask all this because we are at the zenith/climax/crescendo of our own pride week. The "theme" this year is "Once Upon a Pride" - probably thought up by some imaginative city-council socialists who wanted to feel clever. Apparently it's a fantasy motif, so gays and "Allies" are encouraged to wear outrageous costumes.

Pamphlets litter the city, and there are big hand-held rainbow flags in the hands of random people; interestingly, at the bottom of the flag are three names: Winners, as well as two other big-name companies whose names I forget. Isn't it funny how they're all caching in on tolerance? Big money. That's where all this pride and joy comes from: the love of money. In a sense it's not a surprise, but it sure is despicable.

One of the booklets I saw had a caricature of different gay/lesbian/bisexual et. al. subcultures, drawn as fantasy characters. There were, of course, literal "bears", cartoon characters wearing leather straps, lesbians ("dykes") and transvestites having a baseball match, all marching out from a big fantasy castle. Being a homosexual myself, I can say it was probably the gayest thing I ever saw. I was very angry, but mostly just sad.

Probably the most disturbing thing was seeing random people holding those rainbow flags. There were "normal" people, married people, people with Down's syndrome, children, adults, elderly... all holding these flags in various places. The gay pride events have become a staple of their modern culture. It is the milieu in which they walk. Nothing about it is unacceptable or inappropriate or scandalous or shocking. Since this is a socialist-permissive culture (Canada) that's not surprising... but the fact that it exists is deeply saddening.

I guess I just want to know how others would deal with this, only having Christ and the saints and angels in mind. We must pray, dear Lord, we must pray... but we must also engage the other. How do we show the love of Christ to those who are so very empty?
Well, to exist in the world we have to constantly put up with being surrounded by evil and vanity of all sorts, so this sort of thing is just the same thing turned up to eleven. Act as you normally would.
(07-26-2014, 05:56 PM)Dirigible Wrote: [ -> ]Well, to exist in the world we have to constantly put up with being surrounded by evil and vanity of all sorts, so this sort of thing is just the same thing turned up to eleven. Act as you normally would.

It's just so strange and alien that all of this is completely accepted now. I guess it's shocking that a society which was so very "anti-gay" just 50 years ago could become the total opposite in so short a time. Satan works fast, man is weak, and the world is tempting.

Perhaps this is what the early Christians saw in the orgies of the Greek pagans... it's quite amazing, really. What a revival of the circumstances of the holy Fathers! We have grace to love the enemy of Love, and to triumph in combating the evil one. Here we are!
(07-26-2014, 06:08 PM)Heorot Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-26-2014, 05:56 PM)Dirigible Wrote: [ -> ]Well, to exist in the world we have to constantly put up with being surrounded by evil and vanity of all sorts, so this sort of thing is just the same thing turned up to eleven. Act as you normally would.

It's just so strange and alien that all of this is completely accepted now. I guess it's shocking that a society which was so very "anti-gay" just 50 years ago could become the total opposite in so short a time. Satan works fast, man is weak, and the world is tempting.

Perhaps this is what the early Christians saw in the orgies of the Greek pagans... it's quite amazing, really. What a revival of the circumstances of the holy Fathers! We have grace to love the enemy of Love, and to triumph in combating the evil one. Here we are!

Here we are indeed. There's a sense in which it's a blessing, in that it puts into sharp relief the nature of the fallen world. If our surroundings are superficially wholesome and Christian, it lets us easily fall into the delusion that the world is okay after all. This radical disjunction between God and the world makes the choice very clear. At the same time, we mustn't fall into pride about how much better we are than our surroundings; that's just as much a trick of the enemy as is convincing us to go along with our surroundings.
(07-26-2014, 05:52 PM)Heorot Wrote: [ -> ]I ask all this because we are at the zenith/climax/crescendo of our own pride week. The "theme" this year is "Once Upon a Pride" - probably thought up by some imaginative city-council socialists who wanted to feel clever. Apparently it's a fantasy motif, so gays and "Allies" are encouraged to wear outrageous costumes.

Pamphlets litter the city, and there are big hand-held rainbow flags in the hands of random people; interestingly, at the bottom of the flag are three names: Winners, as well as two other big-name companies whose names I forget. Isn't it funny how they're all caching in on tolerance? Big money. That's where all this pride and joy comes from: the love of money. In a sense it's not a surprise, but it sure is despicable.

One of the booklets I saw had a caricature of different gay/lesbian/bisexual et. al. subcultures, drawn as fantasy characters. There were, of course, literal "bears", cartoon characters wearing leather straps, lesbians ("dykes") and transvestites having a baseball match, all marching out from a big fantasy castle. Being a homosexual myself, I can say it was probably the gayest thing I ever saw. I was very angry, but mostly just sad.

Probably the most disturbing thing was seeing random people holding those rainbow flags. There were "normal" people, married people, people with Down's syndrome, children, adults, elderly... all holding these flags in various places. The gay pride events have become a staple of their modern culture. It is the milieu in which they walk. Nothing about it is unacceptable or inappropriate or scandalous or shocking. Since this is a socialist-permissive culture (Canada) that's not surprising... but the fact that it exists is deeply saddening.

I guess I just want to know how others would deal with this, only having Christ and the saints and angels in mind. We must pray, dear Lord, we must pray... but we must also engage the other. How do we show the love of Christ to those who are so very empty?

Sooner or later mainstream secular society was going to embrace sodomy and sodomite marriage as positive expressions of love and individuality.  There's no reason to oppose this once you accept recreational sex, divorce and contraception as positive things. It was just a matter of giving us the gay subculture in small doses so we would loosen up to it.
Show up the night before, leave sacramentals like sprinkling holy water and blessed salt all over the place.  Pray for their souls, read up on apologetics against their arguments.


I'm always wary about questions worded like yours was -- "how does a Catholic X, Y, Z" or "how should a Catholic feel or think about X, Y, Z" or "what do we think about X, Y, Z" -- because we're all different. There are obviously moral absolutes -- e.g., "how should a Catholic think about murder?" for ex. is a question that has one answer. But when it comes to most other things, much depends on the individual.

Me, while I am against 90% of what the "professional" homosexualist activist types are trying to do, I do understand the desire of people to be honest about who they are and what their problems are, to not live their lives in "a closet" or to feel ashamed for their feelings and inclinations -- which are not sinful -- as opposed to their actions, which is where sin comes in. So in that sense, I understand the "gay pride" thing. To me, it's akin to folks with some other disorder -- say manic depression -- that's brought them shame, gotten them bullied, and caused them to feel alone in the world, coming together to say "enough! We're here, we're not alone, and we won't be bullied any longer!" I get that and am totally down with that.

The problems, though, are that most folks involved in these Pride events don't stop at that, but want to normalize their disorder and to treat acting on it as an OK thing to do. And, at least from what I've seen on the internet, at least some of these Pride parades are pretty freakin' raunchy, featuring serious immodesty and debauchery that shouldn't be paraded through the streets.

So, I'm torn.  I don't want gay people in closets, feeling alone and suicidal. I want them in our pews, feeling loved and given compassion, talked to without any assumptions made about them, so I'm fine with "gay pride" insofar as it goes to achieving basic human acceptance and the ability to go through life with integrity in terms of being honest about who the heck you are and what your struggles are like, what your life is like. But acting on homosexual desires is sinful, so I'm not OK with the aspects of the "Pride Movement" that go toward normalizing the abnormal or psychologically dysfunctional and condoning sin.

So THIS Catholic reacts to Gay Pride Week by being glad that homosexuals no longer have to live alone, in terror of being "found out," are becoming able to look people in the eye and say, "Yup, I'm a homosexual child of God, and I'm not alone and am unashamed about parts of me I have little to no control over. Deal with it." And THIS Catholic reacts to it all also by being sad about folks trying to make the world see the disorder of homosexuality as not disordered, and homosexual acts as OK. So my reactions are to praise God for the growing acceptance, and pray to Him that the radical homosexualists don't succeed in achieving their goals. If the latter concerns weren't an issue, I'd hold a rainbow flag myself. Maybe people who feel as I do should get rainbow flags and cut them in half to make the point that to be "proud" (in the sense of being "not ashamed") is good, that homosexuals are children of God called to chastity and to His Church -- but there's a line there that shouldn't be crossed.

I think these parades are the Devil's way of holding narcissistic perverts up to ridicicule before God and man.  They also help normalise this evil in the greater population. I would guess a kind of demonic mania makes them want to propagadise for their perversion, or perhaps it's a response to a deep-seated guilt: shout down your conscience by being even more outrageous.  How absurd it is, to be 'proud' of a perverse appetite.

Substitute the word 'murder' for 'gay' and you'll see the absurdity of it. However, a murderer can only kill the body, and that, once, but sodomy kills the soul and by degrees.

The Catholic response: state the simple medical and religious facts about sodomy in any discussion, and turn away for any exhibition, about it.

(07-27-2014, 06:00 AM)Layman Wrote: [ -> ]Substitute the word 'murder' for 'gay' and you'll see the absurdity of it. However, a murderer can only kill the body, and that, once, but sodomy kills the soul and by degrees.

The Catholic response: state the simple medical and religious facts about sodomy in any discussion, and turn away for any exhibition, about it.

Define "sodomy."
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