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From Breitbart, my emphasis in bold:



Exclusive - Cardinal Burke: Church Risks Serious Tensions in Months Ahead
by Edward Pentin
6 Nov 2014


Cardinal Raymond Burke has said he is at the service of Pope Francis, has no personal animosity towards him, and those who claim the American cardinal is an opponent of the Pontiff are trying to discredit him.

The head of the Vatican’s highest court also told Breitbart Tuesday the Catholic Church risks schism if bishops are seen to “go contrary” to the Church’s established and unchangeable dogmas in the months ahead.

The Vatican prelate was speaking in Vienna Tuesday, at the launch of the German translation of Remaining in the Truth of Christ, a book to which he contributed. The work is a response to Cardinal Walter Kasper’s proposal to allow some remarried divorcees to have access to holy Communion. The Catholic Church has always barred such a possibility, based on Christ’s teaching that remarrying after divorce constitutes adultery.

“Certain media simply want to keep portraying me as living my life as an opponent to Pope Francis,” he said. “I am not at all. I’ve been serving him in the Apostolic Signatura and in other ways I continue to serve him.”

The Wisconsin-born prelate was responding to comments he made in an interview he gave the Spanish weekly Vida Nueva last week. The article misconstrued him as criticizing the Pope--despite his stressing in the interview that he was not at odds with Francis.

He told the Spanish publication there is a “strong sense” the Church is like a “ship without a helm, whatever the reason for this may be.” But he made it clear in the interview he was not “speaking out” against the Pontiff. He said the Pope is right to call on Catholics to “go out to the peripheries” but added “we cannot go to the peripheries empty-handed.”

“I wasn’t saying that the Holy Father’s idea is this,” he explained, “but I’ve seen other people using his words to justify a kind of ‘accommodation’ of the faith to the culture which can never be so.”

Burke told Breitbart his wish is “to present the Church’s teaching around which there’s been a great deal of confusion.” He pointed to last month’s synod on the family in Rome as partly to blame, and said those who identify with a “so-called reformist agenda” of Pope Francis are now trying “to discredit what I say by attributing it to some personal animosity toward the Holy Father, and that’s not right.”

Asked about the singer Elton John’s recent praise of Pope Francis as a hero of gay rights, Burke said the Church needs to be “diligent” in explaining "very carefully" her teaching, making proper distinctions between the sinner and the sin. He also reasserted the Pope’s concern for people with same-sex attraction, one which “understands that even though they have this attraction, it is an attraction to disordered acts” and that they need to seek God’s “healing and grace" to deal with their “very profound suffering.”

Burke has been one of the most outspoken opponents of Kasper’s proposal, saying it is not Catholic, threatens the indissolubility of marriage, and is therefore unacceptable. “The Church must do everything she can when, once again, the integrity of marriage is under attack,” he told the Viennese audience.

He said he “often heard” prelates at last month’s two-week Synod on the Family in Rome say that because the culture has changed “so radically,” the Church “cannot teach as we had in the past.” But Burke responded by saying such a view betrays a “loss of hope in Jesus Christ, Who alone is the salvation of the world.” He acknowledged that the culture is “very corrupt” but added that doesn’t mean “we go chasing after it, but rather bring to the culture that which will save it and be full of hope.”

Talk of possible schism has increased in the Catholic Church after the recent synod appeared to be leading the Church in a more “progressive” direction on moral issues. A controversial document issued by bishops midway through the meeting (which Burke called a “total disaster”) pointed to radical changes in the area of homosexuals, divorce, and remarriage among other things, but the proposals were largely toned down or failed to reach a consensus in the final report.

Questioned about whether there is a genuine risk the Church might split, Burke said if, in the runup to a second synod on the family next October, bishops are seen to move “contrary to the constant teaching and practice of the Church, there is a risk because these are unchanging and unchangeable truths.” He also pointed out that the head of the synod of bishops, Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, has “identified himself very strongly” with Kasper’s thesis and “subscribes to that school.”

Warning that this battle will continue, he called on Catholics to “speak up and act.”

All of these shenanigans put the most faithful of Catholics in a precarious position. Certainly we know we must be in union with 'Peter'.  But 'Peter' does not like us and is doing and saying things that distress us.  If he continues to allow heretical things to go on by even just his silence.....well, to whom shall we go?  I ask the Lord this.

At present I am in a decent parish.  There is even a weekly TLM in my town.  We have a decent archbishop.  A new perpetual adoration opening in my town.  I can attend daily Mass and two parishes have daily confession. This is because our diocese was a St. JPII diocese.  I must keep my focus on Jesus and Mary.  Am fortunate.
Lines are being drawn, there's no doubt! These are bad times. We must pray.
Schism would not actually affect most of us, but would be very tricky business for priests and religious.

(11-09-2014, 05:19 PM)maldon Wrote: [ -> ]Schism would not actually affect most of us, but would be very tricky business for priests and religious.

How is that not affecting us? Can we receive the sacraments without priests?
Vox Clamantis Wrote: [ -> ]Warning that this battle will continue, he called on Catholics to “speak up and act.”

Catholics have been "speaking up" and "acting" for decades.  As a result, some of them have been declared excommunicated, as recent activity from some of our more merciful shepherds demonstrates.

Exactly what "acts" by the laity are contemplated here?
We just all need to go Byzantine Catholic.
(11-09-2014, 07:39 PM)Papist Wrote: [ -> ]We just all need to go Byzantine Catholic.


That's not a guarantee of anything really. Many Byzantine parishes have modernized immensely in recent decades. Most of us are stuck in the Roman Rite for better of for worse.

I just don't see a schism, not an open one, happening any time soon. If the sheer chaos and apostasy from the top down since the close of the Council didn't cause an open schism I don't see why it would happen now. Why now?

Maybe more Catholics are aware of the faithlessness of so many shepherds today compared to yesteryear, but that doesn't mean there's a schism brewing.  The heretics in high places know they can do much more damage subtly and within the Church than as a renegade breakaway group.

The best that could happen is that Francis steps down and is replaced by a serious orthodox pope who is a bit of a zealous hothead who is willing to simply publicly prune the Vine so to speak. I mean excommunicate bishops, put dioceses and parishes under interdict and in general go to total war with these wolves in the episcopate and in the priesthood.  I for one am sick of the medicine of mercy being couched as nothing but fluffy sentimentality, sometimes medicine is bitter, and painful, sometimes medicine is careful surgery, heck, sometimes it's trauma surgery. The Church needs to be purged, the cancer excised.

(11-09-2014, 07:00 PM)DJR Wrote: [ -> ]
Vox Clamantis Wrote: [ -> ]Warning that this battle will continue, he called on Catholics to “speak up and act.”

Catholics have been "speaking up" and "acting" for decades.  As a result, some of them have been declared excommunicated, as recent activity from some of our more merciful shepherds demonstrates.

Exactly what "acts" by the laity are contemplated here?

I think we have to reach a critical mass (no pun intended) and be a lot more vociferous in terms of tradverting, writing to Bishops, withholding support of goofy parishes and being LOUD about it, etc. The lefties make their voices heard with rallies and conferences and press releases and all sorts of things most of us trads just totally ignore when it comes to using those sorts of tools. If the people in the pews stop supporting the crap, if they refuse to put up with unorthodoxy, if they FIGHT for orthodoxy, the crap will stop. It will have to because the human institution of the Church doesn't run on air; it runs on money and warm bodies.

Maybe one thing we need is a trad wiki for parish reviews. Seriously. People could go to it and rate priests on orthodoxy, "reverence" of the NO if that's what they offer, openness to the TLM, etc., adding audio of sermons, youtube videos of any lunacy, etc. And then get the word out about the wiki, send it to Bishops, send it to the people in charge in Rome, etc.

(11-09-2014, 09:38 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-09-2014, 07:00 PM)DJR Wrote: [ -> ]
Vox Clamantis Wrote: [ -> ]Warning that this battle will continue, he called on Catholics to “speak up and act.”

Catholics have been "speaking up" and "acting" for decades.  As a result, some of them have been declared excommunicated, as recent activity from some of our more merciful shepherds demonstrates.

Exactly what "acts" by the laity are contemplated here?

I think we have to reach a critical mass (no pun intended) and be a lot more vociferous in terms of tradverting, writing to Bishops, withholding support of goofy parishes and being LOUD about it, etc. The lefties make their voices heard with rallies and conferences and press releases and all sorts of things most of us trads just totally ignore when it comes to using those sorts of tools. If the people in the pews stop supporting the crap, if they refuse to put up with unorthodoxy, if they FIGHT for orthodoxy, the crap will stop. It will have to because the human institution of the Church doesn't run on air; it runs on money and warm bodies.

Maybe one thing we need is a trad wiki for parish reviews. Seriously. People could go to it and rate priests on orthodoxy, "reverence" of the NO if that's what they offer, openness to the TLM, etc., adding audio of sermons, youtube videos of any lunacy, etc. And then get the word out about the wiki, send it to Bishops, send it to the people in charge in Rome, etc.

In other words, more of the same.

All that stuff has been tried, starting in the 70s.  I did my fair share of it.  And after all those years of writing, conferences, parish ratings, public notices, prayer, fasting, even telephone calls, "there is a strong sense that the Church is like a ship without a rudder," to quote a famous personage.

This situation is in God's hands.  We are approaching a serious period of chastisement, as Sister Lucia told us over and over.
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