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Philippines Cardinal Luis Tagle -- often cited as a possible successor to Pope Francis -- has called on Catholics to avoid looking to the pre-Second Vatican Council church with a sense of nostalgia, but to embrace and live out the council's sense of openness to the modern world.

Speaking at a landmark theological conference focused on carrying the vision of the council forward, Tagle said Vatican II rediscovered the church's understanding of mystery, mission and communion -- and that, from there, "the understanding of church changed radically."

One of the key changes of the council, he said, was the move from a church that focused on itself to one that focused on the needs of humanity.

"Many people want to witness to Christ in some idealized past that they long for with nostalgia," said Tagle, who spoke Friday morning at Georgetown University. "No, we witness to Christ now, here, where we are in our world."

"The church is being asked to retrieve its deepest identity as a communion, but a communion that is not focused on itself," he continued. "Not self-focused, not self-referential."

READ MORE (PREPARE YOUR VOMIT BAG FOLKS!): http://ncronline.org/news/global/cardina...-nostalgia
The only reason I can think of that men like him would keep slamming anything prior to Vatican II is because there is a slow but steady increase of men who prefer the pre conciliar to the new stuff, and a steady increase of very articulate and well argued critiques of the new, and quite frankly it scares them. Even mainstream Catholics are starting to get the picture sonewhat, and that scares these guys who came of age in a Church obsessed on every level with the complete and utter destruction of the old and its replacement with the new.

Today's hierarchy are mostly Conciliar sycophants who rose to the top by kissing the rears of their modernist predecessors,and who've only kept their power by singing the same Marty Haugen tune of their taskmasters.
(05-23-2015, 09:18 AM)formerbuddhist Wrote: [ -> ]The only reason I can think of that men like him would keep slamming anything prior to Vatican II is because there is a slow but steady increase of men who prefer the pre conciliar to the new stuff, and a steady increase of very articulate and well argued critiques of the new, and quite frankly it scares them. Even mainstream Catholics are starting to get the picture sonewhat, and that scares these guys who came of age in a Church obsessed on every level with the complete and utter destruction of the old and its replacement with the new.

Today's hierarchy are mostly Conciliar sycophants who rose to the top by kissing the rears of their modernist predecessors,and who've only kept their power by singing the same Marty Haugen tune of their taskmasters.

May I quote you in my blog post above? Thanks.

N.
So in summary:

1. Embrace changes and attitudes which have occurred nearly simultaneously with the quickest and largest apostasy in Church history, and
2. Reject the ideologies which were in place for 2 thousand years before said apostasy

When faced with statements like this from a Cardinal, one legitimately wonders whether this Prince of the Church actually cares one iota about saving souls, as well as whether His Eminence believes that one's soul can just as easily be saved outside the Church as within the Church.

The evidence running contrary to the Cardinal's quotes is simply too overwhelming, and I honestly can't think of a reason for this attitude other than complete indifference, or something even worse.
This man criticizes those who idealize the past while idealizing the past himself.  :eyeroll:

The sure sign of modernism (at least in its philosophical form) is this inability of a narrative to account for itself. This is the evidence of a deep alienation from reality.

For those interested in a more salutary “resourcement”, revitalization, etc., throwing right back at the modernists all their talk, check out this interview.
Can we call out these men who masturbate over this pastoral council?

Seriously this is downright revolting and pornographic over the ad nauseam talk about Vatican II.


I do not mean to be graphic and crude, but this is what this talk really symbolizes. These men obsess over a document that really had no meaningful impact on the Church other than create the greatest decline in faithful and watering-down Church Teaching, to where the Church today even struggles with elementary topics like fornication and murder.

Why ignore 2,000-years of Teaching that built the holy magnificent structures we have today and created generations upon generations of faithful lay and clerics, for the past 50-years of nostalgia that brought nothing but apostasy, confusion, and lame folk tunes.

???
(05-23-2015, 01:28 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Can we call out these men who masturbate over this pastoral council?

Seriously this is downright revolting and pornographic over the ad nauseam talk about Vatican II.


I do not mean to be graphic and crude, but this is what this talk really symbolizes. These men obsess over a document that really had no meaningful impact on the Church other than create the greatest decline in faithful and watering-down Church Teaching, to where the Church today even struggles with elementary topics like fornication and murder.

Why ignore 2,000-years of Teaching that built the holy magnificent structures we have today and created generations upon generations of faithful lay and clerics, for the past 50-years of nostalgia that brought nothing but apostasy, confusion, and lame folk tunes.

???

May I also add that during his tenure as our bishop, he wreck-o-vated our Cathedral and tolerated abuses in the liturgy. God help us if he became the next pontiff.

N.
Definitely you can use what I said :)

By the way what reason do people have to think he'd be the next pope? Seems like he's just another liberal Cardinal in the midst of hundreds of liberal cardinals. Why him?
And he looks pretty young (or the fillipinos age better than the rest of the world), so he probably have a couple of conclaves on his life still.

Frankly I think we will not live to see a real traditional pope back at the Vatican. For this fashion to pass (and as Blessed Jacinta reports, many fashions—and I take it she's not talking about clothing only—will dominate, but the Church doesn't follow any fashion, which is true, it doesn't matter how you feel about Fatima, the Church doesn't follow fashion) it will take two or three generations of solid Cardinals. So, this will take a while. We better get comfortable here. (unless something occurs, like divine intervention, the second coming or some major tragedy).

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