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I'm not going to post the whole thing here, because it's really, really long. But my take-away quote was:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...ource=SFFB

Quote:Centuries have passed since the wars of religion ceased in Europe, and since men stopped dying in large numbers because of arcane theological disputes. Hence, perhaps, the incredulity and denial with which Westerners have greeted news of the theology and practices of the Islamic State. Many refuse to believe that this group is as devout as it claims to be, or as backward-looking or apocalyptic as its actions and statements suggest.

Their skepticism is comprehensible. In the past, Westerners who accused Muslims of blindly following ancient scriptures came to deserved grief from academics—notably the late Edward Said—who pointed out that calling Muslims “ancient” was usually just another way to denigrate them. Look instead, these scholars urged, to the conditions in which these ideologies arose—the bad governance, the shifting social mores, the humiliation of living in lands valued only for their oil.

Without acknowledgment of these factors, no explanation of the rise of the Islamic State could be complete. But focusing on them to the exclusion of ideology reflects another kind of Western bias: that if religious ideology doesn’t matter much in Washington or Berlin, surely it must be equally irrelevant in Raqqa or Mosul. When a masked executioner says Allahu akbar while beheading an apostate, sometimes he’s doing so for religious reasons.

Many mainstream Muslim organizations have gone so far as to say the Islamic State is, in fact, un-Islamic. It is, of course, reassuring to know that the vast majority of Muslims have zero interest in replacing Hollywood movies with public executions as evening entertainment. But Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.”
That last paragraph is spot on. There are very peaceful Muslims who can't abide what ISIS does, but they don't often acknowledge that the killing of apostate Muslims, the cutting off of thieves' hands, the rounding up and slaughter of active homosexuals, etc, is all mandated by the Qur'an and the Hadith. Individual Muslims are quite often peaceful, but Islam itself most definitely is not.
This article was discussed here.

I just repeat what I said in that topic: Islam is a carnal religion. And the more recent thread discussing how for some muslims rape is a form of drawing oneself closer to allah makes the point in a radically graphic way.
(11-14-2015, 08:31 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: [ -> ]This article was discussed here.

I just repeat what I said in that topic: Islam is a carnal religion. And the more recent thread discussing how for some muslims rape is a form of drawing oneself closer to allah makes the point in a radically graphic way.

oops. I totally missed that!
I think they just want 72 virgins...... :P
(11-15-2015, 09:50 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote: [ -> ]I think they just want 72 virgins...... :P

In that regard, I have also heard that that particular passage of their scriptures can also be translated to 72 raisins. Fun fact.  :grin:
(11-16-2015, 01:33 PM)Share Love Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-15-2015, 09:50 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote: [ -> ]I think they just want 72 virgins...... :P

In that regard, I have also heard that that particular passage of their scriptures can also be translated to 72 raisins. Fun fact.  :grin:

:rofl:

Imagine the deception. One gets into "allah's heaven" expecting to defile some virgins (really, some sick fetish), and instead one gets like 1/4 cup of raisins.
(11-16-2015, 01:33 PM)Share Love Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-15-2015, 09:50 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote: [ -> ]I think they just want 72 virgins...... :P

In that regard, I have also heard that that particular passage of their scriptures can also be translated to 72 raisins. Fun fact.  :grin:

Yes, the theory is that it is a linguistic corruption of ideas found in the Syriac Fathers. St. Ephrem and other hymnographers often write about the "clusters of grapes" found in Paradise. The word in question is an Aramaic/Syriac word meaning "white," which refers to white grapes; its meaning in context was obscure in the Qur'an and taken to refer to the pale skin of virgins.
:LOL: whoops.
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