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I'd agree that a majority of marriages performed in the Catholic Church are null, given the 50% divorce rate and rampant contraceptive use. But then he says that some couples cohabiting are in a "real marriage?" Id like to think this is a dig at Catholics who don't try to live up to their marital vows; "See, the secular non-Catholics have more commitment to each other than you do!" The Holy Father, combined with various media sources, just confuse me with regard to what's really being said.
(06-17-2016, 11:10 PM)Sir Charles Napier Wrote: [ -> ]I'd agree that a majority of marriages performed in the Catholic Church are null, given the 50% divorce rate and rampant contraceptive use. But then he says that some couples cohabiting are in a "real marriage?" Id like to think this is a dig at Catholics who don't try to live up to their marital vows; "See, the secular non-Catholics have more commitment to each other than you do!" The Holy Father, combined with various media sources, just confuse me with regard to what's really being said.

Maybe he was thinking about people who live in circumstances where it is difficult if not almost impossible to get to a Catholic church.
Here's the video, the question starts around 1:13, anybody care to translate so we can hear what the Pope said rather than guess or listen to the media spin.

In contrast to the video, here's what Lifesitenews.com had to say about the Vatican transcript of the interview.

June 17, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – The official Vatican transcript of controversial remarks made by Pope Francis this week, in which he speculated that the “great majority” of Catholic marriages are in fact invalid, significantly alters his words.

While a video of the pope’s remarks show clearly that he used the Italian words “grande maggioranza” (great majority) to indicate the proportion of marriages that he believes are “null,” the official Vatican transcript changes those words to the more measured “parte” – i.e. a part, portion, or some.

Yahoo News reports that a Vatican spokesperson stated that the Pope’s words may at times be altered in official transcripts, “after consulting with him or among aides,” in the words of Yahoo News.

The pope made the impromptu remarks on Thursday after addressing the Diocese of Rome’s pastoral congress. He was responding to a question from a layman about the “crisis of marriage.”

In his response Pope Francis speculated that many Catholic couples getting married today don’t understand what marriage is, and enter marriage with a “provisional” mindset. Because of this, he said, “the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null.”

“Because they say, ‘Yes, for the rest of my life!’ but they don’t know what they are saying. Because they have a different culture. They say it, they have good will, but they don’t know.”

The statement has provoked a strong response from many Catholic commentators. On his blog, well-known canonist Ed Peters expressed disbelief. “I am at a loss to understand how anyone … could seriously assert that human nature is suddenly so corrupted and Christ’s sacraments are now so impotent as to have prevented ‘the great majority’ of Christians from even marrying! How can anyone responsibly even posit such a dark and dismal claim, let alone demonstrate it?”

However, whatever the official Vatican transcript now says, Pope Francis’ original statement aligns closely with a previous report about his personal beliefs on the validity of many Catholic marriages.

In 2014, Cardinal Walter Kasper, known to be a close friend and advisor of Pope Francis, said in an interview that he had spoken with Pope Francis, who told him, “he believes that 50 percent of marriages are not valid.”

This is not the first time that the Pope’s words have been altered in Vatican transcripts.

In April, a reporter asked Pope Francis whether there are any “new concrete possibilities" for the divorced and remarried "that did not exist before the publication” of his exhortation Amoris Laetitia, making specific reference to “the discipline that governs the access to the Sacraments.”

The pope began his response by saying simply, “I can say yes, period.” This was taken by many as confirming interpretations that the exhortation opened the door to allowing Communion for divorced and remarried couples – something which the Church has always forbidden.

However the official Vatican transcript altered the pope’s statement, changing the word “posso” (I can) to the conditional “potrei” (I could) – thereby injecting a level of uncertainty into the remarks.
(06-17-2016, 11:10 PM)Sir Charles Napier Wrote: [ -> ]I'd agree that a majority of marriages performed in the Catholic Church are null, given the 50% divorce rate and rampant contraceptive use.

These things don't nullify a marriage, though.
Quote:  In his response Pope Francis speculated that many Catholic couples getting married today don’t understand what marriage is, and enter marriage with a “provisional” mindset. Because of this, he said, “the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null.” 

Sadly, this is spot on. Between hyper-sexualization, lack of catechesis, and throw-away culture, it's to be expected.
(06-18-2016, 08:09 AM)ermy_law Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-17-2016, 11:10 PM)Sir Charles Napier Wrote: [ -> ]I'd agree that a majority of marriages performed in the Catholic Church are null, given the 50% divorce rate and rampant contraceptive use.

These things don't nullify a marriage, though.

But they create the psychological conditions that make it null. If one enters into marriage with a mindset of sex whenever, no kids, and not thinking about what "for life" truly means...
(06-18-2016, 08:09 AM)ermy_law Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-17-2016, 11:10 PM)Sir Charles Napier Wrote: [ -> ]I'd agree that a majority of marriages performed in the Catholic Church are null, given the 50% divorce rate and rampant contraceptive use.

These things don't nullify a marriage, though.

With so high a percentage of marriages ending in divorce, surely there are issues with how people are preparing for marriage and their understanding of the sacrament.  A similar argument can be made for contraceptive use: if they have not been educated as to why being open to life is important, what else have they not been educated about?

I think, though I don't know for certain, that the Holy Father was intending to draw attention to the rather temporary nature of most modern pairings.  People do think of others as disposable and that's not a good thing.  It certainly doesn't help them understand lifelong commitment - for better or for worse.  Of course, it would be better for all concerned if he actually carefully planned such statements rather than speaking "off the cuff."

                            Enough is enough, Pope Francis should resign
                            http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/06/1...esign.html

                      Traditional Catholic Andrew Napolitano makes some interesting points.
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