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The fetal cell lines currently being used in the production of certain vaccines are dying out.  A new cell line developed in China will replace those.  9 babies were aborted to develop the cell line, using the horrible water bag method.

In light of this, i don't feel the Church's position on vaccines is strong enough.  Also, some Catholic schools are twisting the Church's position to deny parents religious exemptions.  This is troubling to me.
Is there any way to produce vaccines without the use of aborted fetuses?
(07-10-2016, 04:34 AM)learning Wrote: [ -> ]The fetal cell lines currently being used in the production of certain vaccines are dying out.  A new cell line developed in China will replace those.  9 babies were aborted to develop the cell line, using the horrible water bag method.

In light of this, i don't feel the Church's position on vaccines is strong enough.  Also, some Catholic schools are twisting the Church's position to deny parents religious exemptions.  This is troubling to me.

There's two separate moral questions here.

1. Is abortion and development of fetal stem cell lines from aborted children licit?
2. Is the use of a product developed from fetal stem cell lines licit?

The answer to 1 is a most certain No. This is gravely immoral, of course.

The answer to 2 is much more nuanced, because we have the principle of double effect.

As the Holy See has said:

[o] there is a grave duty to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems
[o] if necessary to avoid a greater harm for the common good, for oneself or one's child, it is morally permissible to use vaccines which have these moral problems because of the principle of double effect, and being so vaccinated is a passive, very remote, and only material cooperation in the evil,
[o] even if morally permissible in such necessity, this does not mean it is morally permissible to market, produce or use these vaccines outside of a case of necessity.
[o] it is unjust that legal systems force parents to act against their conscience, and it is our duty to eliminate this as soon as possible.

This accords with orthodox Catholic Moral Theological principles.

Double effect allows us to perform an action which has two effects, one good and one evil, so long as we do not intend the evil end, it is proportionate, there is cause for doing so, and no other reasonable alternative exists. This is, for instance, the case with ectopic pregnancies. The doctor may not abort the baby, but can remove the part of the tube to save the life of the mother, even though this will result in the death of the child. The death, however, cannot be directly intended or done. In such a case, the child, should be baptized conditionally, if this is possible.

We might want a more rigorous stance, but that would create a legalistic and moralistic problem, and not solve the underlying problem.
(07-10-2016, 11:43 PM)Sacred Heart lover Wrote: [ -> ]Is there any way to produce vaccines without the use of aborted fetuses?

Yes.
So why aren't vaccines produced without using aborted fetuses then?