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Catholics in the USA heavily favor an outright liar and a murderer? 

The CINO crowd  clearly has no concept or is indifferent of what lies in wait;  Nor does an apostate Catholic hierarchy that has allowed all of this to occur.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/wo...-catholics
Honestly, I think a lot of it is unthinking. Most Catholics would vote Democratic just because it's what most Catholics have done for the last 150 years. People are remarkably clingy to traditions even when they don't think about them very much. "It's just the way my family's always voted".

Also in the modern degenerate system, of course, the main reason is probably "the Democratic Party fights for us", i.e. wants to give us lots of stuff. Republicans don't sound so nice as that. As more millennial-aged Catholics (and even their children, eventually) vote, we will probably see a lot of leftist victories in Congress.
I saw this yesterday, reminded of it today. May not be completely the answer, but I think it has some merit.
http://www.realclearreligion.org/article...07129.html

Much has already been written about “the Catholic vote” in this year’s presidential election. Brace yourself for more—much of it thinly disguised politicking by partisans.
Why the focus on Catholics?
Because Catholics represent the largest religious denomination in the nation and Catholic voters are disproportionately represented in many of the critical “swing” states a presidential candidate needs to win.
But contrary to much of what you might read, because of the very size and diversity of the Catholic population, it would be an error to consider this large grou of voters as somehow constituting a “voting bloc”—a bloc somehow broadly receptive to political appeals aimed at Catholics-as-Catholics.
However, studies have shown, that a subset of “Catholic voters”—those who attend mass on at least a weekly basis—are far more likely to say their faith and values are significant factors in how they vote. This is the group of “Catholic voters” who actually help determine election outcomes.
In recent presidential elections this group of voters have become increasingly Republican in their presidential voting. According to CNN election day exit polls in 2012 Mitt Romney received 57% percent of their support compared to just 42% for President Obama.
Which brings us to the latest bit of statistical mischief gaining traction in this year’s bizarre presidential election.
The wellspring of this mischief is a recent Pew survey, “Evangelicals Rally to Trump, Religious ‘Nones’ Back Clinton.” Pew has a longstanding and well-deserv reputation for its comprehensive national surveys on a wide range of topics and the mischief is not theirs, rather it is the result of others abusing one small pie of their survey.
Although the overall findings of Pew Research Center’s survey on the voting patterns of religious voters were unsurprising—and tracked patterns in 2012 —much has been said about the poll’s findings regarding a change in voting habits of weekly church-attending Catholics. And herein lies the statistical misunderstanding which has morphed into mischief.
According to the poll, weekly church-attending Catholics have shifted from the Republican presidential candidate to the Democrat presidential candidate by a swing of 22 points since a comparable poll in 2012. In the June 2016 poll, Clinton had a 19-point (57-38) advantage among weekly church-attending Catholi whereas Mitt Romney had a 3-point (48-45) lead among this subgroup in the comparable June 2012 Pew survey.
These findings are being presented by some as the Clinton/Kaine ticket bringing Catholic voters back to the Democrats, but it is worth taking a closer look at t data before jumping to conclusions.
Anyone citing the recent Pew poll numbers as strong evidence of a seismic shift in “faithful Catholic” voting is on very shaky ground.
In the Pew survey, “weekly church-attending, Catholic, registered voters” has a sample size of only 138 people—giving it a whopping +/- 10% margin of error.
But even more significant is that the demographics of that sample also changed dramatically from the comparable 2012 survey.
In the 2012 survey “White, non-Hispanic” respondents comprised 78 percent of the sample; in 2016 they were only 61 percent. Given that Hispanics, Blacks, and Asians overwhelmingly lean Democratic, the increase in their portion of the sample from 22 percent to 39 percent (a 77 percent increase!) would have caused a large shift in Pew’s findings, regardless of the candidates. Clinton supporters are anxious to point to this shift as specific evidence of faithful Catholic rejecting Trump, when, in fact, the huge demographic sampling change would have negatively impacted any Republican candidate.
Clinton partisans are using a dubious statistic the same way a drunk uses a lamp post: more for support than illumination. More thoughtful observers should not make the same mistake.
Ashley E. McGuire is a Senior Fellow with The Catholic Association.
Trump is looked at as a "shoot from the hip" braggart and possible tyrant whose desire to shut out Mexican migrants and Muslims (two groups beloved to effete modern bishops and the current pope) seems at odds with the post conciliar (that is to say "mainstream" )Catholic paradigm.

  If we take our blinders off and read mainstream Catholic journals like America and Commonweal and perhaps the blog PrayTell (all overwhelming reflect the tenor of the USCCB and the average parish) it's not hard to see it as obvious that mainstream Catholics are overwhelmingly in favor of Clinton and at best a left of center and liberal take on politics.

Seriously,those liberal Jesuit rags and the USCCB are the pulse of mainstream Catholic America,and this pulse is thumping to the rhythm to Hilary Rodham Clinton.
I think a vote for Trump is a vote to take away my citizenship.
(08-28-2016, 11:30 PM)Poche Wrote: [ -> ]I think a vote for Trump is a vote to take away my citizenship.

Are you here illegally or something?
(08-28-2016, 11:49 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-28-2016, 11:30 PM)Poche Wrote: [ -> ]I think a vote for Trump is a vote to take away my citizenship.

Are you here illegally or something?

No, but there is an incident in the past that I think was illegal/unfair that under a Trump like presidency could come back to harm either myself or another family member on that side of the family . 
If the number of lawn signs for Trump is any indication of voter support, I wouldn't believe for one minute that there's an anti-Trump sentiment out there... I could probably count Trump to Hillary signs at 10 or 15 to 1... maybe even more...  Perhaps that just means I live in a pretty homogenous area voter-wise... or maybe the media and the rest of the liberals in the country are just pushing a narrative ... 

I had to laugh when I the media made it a point to say that Hillary  picked a "DEVOUT Catholic" .... any REAL Catholic voter knows you can't be a DEVOUT Catholic if you are pro choice.  Of course,  the VP nominee gave the usual, "I'm personally against it, but everyone has the right... blah blah blah"   

In defense of Catholic voters, however, when we have a Pope that leans so far left, one might think its A-OK to vote Democrat.

Trump wasn't my first, second or third choice, but the thought of a Democrat picking the next 3 or 4 supreme court justices scares the bejeezus out of me...

Hillary could  be the 5th horseman of the apocolypse

I'm beginning to remember why I stopped participating in politics on this fourm 


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(08-28-2016, 03:43 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: [ -> ]Trump is looked at as a "shoot from the hip" braggart and possible tyrant whose desire to shut out Mexican migrants and Muslims (two groups beloved to effete modern bishops and the current pope) seems at odds with the post conciliar (that is to say "mainstream" )Catholic paradigm.

  If we take our blinders off and read mainstream Catholic journals like America and Commonweal and perhaps the blog PrayTell (all overwhelming reflect the tenor of the USCCB and the average parish) it's not hard to see it as obvious that mainstream Catholics are overwhelmingly in favor of Clinton and at best a left of center and liberal take on politics.

Seriously,those liberal Jesuit rags and the USCCB are the pulse of mainstream Catholic America,and this pulse is thumping to the rhythm to Hilary Rodham Clinton.

There is a reason all Catholics were pretty much Democrats even before Vatican II.  They were the party of the unions, of immigrants, of minorities, etc. of which Catholics were and which were in line with Catholic social teaching.  The Democrats embracing things like abortion has obviously changed things, but old loyalties die hard (especially in an age where faith is weak, and politics has replaced faith as the vital interest). 
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