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Very sad.

Yeah, we are only a couple of decades away from this at most.
I've heard it said before that sometimes you've got to sink the ship before you can save it.  I'd say the Netherland's ship is all but sunk. Can't go down much further. 
(12-15-2016, 07:50 PM)Papist Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, we are only a couple of decades away from this at most.

It all depends on how long Francis is pope, and who we get next.  If we get stuck with a bunch of bishops that will throw the Church in the U.S. back into the 70's, things will collapse pretty quickly.  In the 1970's, they had a generation- born in the 20's and 30's- who wasn't that old who still cared about the Faith, and they had lots of children.  There were plenty of them involved, unfortunately many of them held to teachings that were heretical.