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http://magister.blogautore.espresso.repu...n-priests/

"In the judgment of “La Civiltà Cattolica,” therefore, not only should the infallibility and definitiveness of John Paul II’s “no” to women priests be brought into doubt, but more important than this “no” are the “developments that the presence of woman in the family and society has undergone in the 21st century.”

These developments - the reasoning of the magazine continues - now render incomprehensible the “rationes” for prohibitions “that, more than expressions of authority, appear to signify authoritarianism.”

“One cannot always resort to the past, as if only in the past are there indications of the Spirit. Today as well the Spirit is guiding the Church and suggesting the courageous assumption of new perspectives.”

And Francis is the first “not to limit himself to what is already known, but wants to delve into a complex and relevant field, so that it may be the Spirit who guides the Church,” concludes “La Civiltà Cattolica,” evidently with the pope’s imprimatur."

Here we go again. "Make a Mess"  >:(
The only spirit that's guiding this pope is that of the Evil One.
Pope Francis has on more than one occasion affirmed that women cannot become priests. 
Stop worrying about what Civilta Cattolica says and let us pay attention to what Pope John Paul II  said in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis;

https://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2ordin.htm
the Civilta Cattolica article appears to make the same mistake that the Protestants made. As he was writing Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, Pope John Paul II asked the Anglican leadership, "What is the theological reason for the ordination of women in your community?" the Anglican response was a sociological response rather than a theological response.
When the 1983 Code of Canon Law was written it stated that only men could be ordained. The word in Latin which was used was the word "vir." This was not a mistake.   
God won't allow Pope Francis to approve women priests, but our Lord's guarantee doesn't prevent heretics from advocating for it, nor the media for treating said heretics as perfectly orthodox Catholics and attributing everything they advocate to 'the Vatican' or saying that because the Pope doesn't immediately condemn it, something might change Soon™.
(02-09-2017, 12:30 AM)Poche Wrote: [ -> ]Stop worrying about what Civilta Cattolica says and let us pay attention to what Pope John Paul II  said in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis;

https://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2ordin.htm

"“La Civiltà Cattolica” is not just any magazine. By statute, every line of it is printed after inspection by the Holy See. But in addition there is the very close confidential relationship between Jorge Mario Bergoglio and the magazine’s editor, the Jesuit Antonio Spadaro.

Who in turn has his most trusted colleague in deputy editor Giancarlo Pani, he too a Jesuit like all the writers of the magazine."

If you think for one minute that this article was not "Approved", you are deceiving yourself. This is how Pope Francis operates. Drip by drip. Same as the 2 Synods on the Family. Drip by drip! Same as Amoris Laetitia! Drip by drip!
(02-09-2017, 01:44 AM)Paul Wrote: [ -> ]God won't allow Pope Francis to approve women priests, but our Lord's guarantee doesn't prevent heretics from advocating for it, nor the media for treating said heretics as perfectly orthodox Catholics and attributing everything they advocate to 'the Vatican' or saying that because the Pope doesn't immediately condemn it, something might change Soon™.

I wouldn't have thought that God would allow the pope to approve communion for people in an objective state of mortal sin either. God's ways are not our ways, so it might be prudent for all of us to check our expectations of what God will or will not allow the popes to approve.
(02-09-2017, 10:04 AM)ermy_law Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't have thought that God would allow the pope to approve communion for people in an objective state of mortal sin either. God's ways are not our ways, so it might be prudent for all of us to check our expectations of what God will or will not allow the popes to approve.

The Pope hasn't approved it for the Church. At most, he's remained silent when certain groups of bishops have allowed it.

The other option is that either our Lord lied when he said the gates of Hell shall not prevail, or He's allowed the Church to misinterpret it all these centuries. And if either of those is true, then Christianity is false and none of this matters. That's why the Pope won't answer the dubia.
(02-09-2017, 01:32 PM)Paul Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-09-2017, 10:04 AM)ermy_law Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't have thought that God would allow the pope to approve communion for people in an objective state of mortal sin either. God's ways are not our ways, so it might be prudent for all of us to check our expectations of what God will or will not allow the popes to approve.

The Pope hasn't approved it for the Church. At most, he's remained silent when certain groups of bishops have allowed it.

That is the exact reason that Honorius was anathematized.

But, really, at most, he wrote a letter to South American bishops lauding their guidelines, which is a little more than remaining silent. And he has approved it for the whole Church in the document itself.

If God didn't consider the unjust murder of the Son to constitute the gates of hell prevailing, then I'm prepared to believe that God's assessment of what that phrase means is more expansive than a mere promise that the pope won't impose heretical pastoral norms.

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