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In the book Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, in the section on the second coming of Christ, are listed the signs on the Second Coming.  Almost everything can be said to have already transpired, except the Conversion of the Jews. 

1.  The preaching of the Gospel to the entire world can be said to have already happened.  Not only that, nowadays, people now have access to a machine translated 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia in their pockets, all around the world. 
2.  The falling away from the Faith can be said to have already happened.  We have lived the cultural revolutions of the 1960's, many thousands of Priests and Religious left the Priesthood and the Religious life, in droves.  I don't think traditionally-minded Catholics have a problem with understanding there has been a falling away.
3.  The appearance of the Antichrist can be said to have already happened, with the LaSallette secret alone.
4.  We have had severe tribulations, hurricanes, tsunamis, bitter persecutions, the most bitter kind, with atheistic socialism and more.
5.  The conversion of the Jews.  There are 5 signs listed in this book as signs of the second coming.  The one that can not really be said to have happened, is the conversion of the Jews.
Interesting. Remember back when Pope Francis said we should be careful about evangelizing Jews, it was a sensitive issue because of the Shoah  (I'm paraphrasing heavily so please read lightly).
I don't think that we've seen the anti-Christ yet, I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone has come to that conclusion. In reading La Salette, I don't know exactly whether things are written in any chronological order or just in a general prophesy that these various things will happen at various times. Even the natural disasters are we sure that they are much worse today than in the past? Couldn't it get worse? Our world of quick reporting certainly makes things seem worse than it was in the past, but who knows?
Whatever happened to neither He, nor the Holy Ghost, but only the Father knows when the end of the world will come?
(03-17-2017, 07:18 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever happened to neither He, nor the Holy Ghost, but only the Father knows when the end of the world will come?

Is this really true though? My understanding is that the Holy Trinity is consubstantial and hence what belongs to the one belongs just as equally to the other- and that includes knowledge. I thought that what Christ meant was not that he didn't know the end of the world but that Christ did not have the authority to reveal it from the Father. Am I mistaken in this view?
This is just sheer speculation on my part but in light of my intensive study of Islam I wonder if Muslims somehow fall under the "jewish' category and that they might eventually convert as well... Islam at least in its Sunni variety is deeply Judaic in its approach to things.  It's very legalistic and very Old Testament in style.  If the Catechism claims that they too adore the One God and can be saved I wonder if this ties into their own conversion at the end along with the Jews.  After all there are striking parallels between Islam and Christianity in regarding Christ as messiah and figure of judgement at the end.  All in all its just speculation though....but it's been on my mind lately.

On another note, if Christ didn't have authority from the Father to reveal knowledge of the time of the end than doesn't that mean the Father is somehow of greater authority,the monarch,if you will, of the Trinity? I know this isn't what you probably mean but it's how I understood it.  It's not so easy to understand the nature of the Trinity or orthodox christology though.  At best we bow in Faith.to what the great Councils have said about these points of our Faith and leave it to mystery.
(03-18-2017, 01:14 AM)ArturoOrtiz Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-17-2017, 07:18 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever happened to neither He, nor the Holy Ghost, but only the Father knows when the end of the world will come?

Is this really true though? My understanding is that the Holy Trinity is consubstantial and hence what belongs to the one belongs just as equally to the other- and that includes knowledge. I thought that what Christ meant was not that he didn't know the end of the world but that Christ did not have the authority to reveal it from the Father. Am I mistaken in this view?

I was incorrect in my previous statement.  It was Niether the angles in Heavan, nor the Son, but only the Father knows.

Here is a snippet from the Haydock commentary to expand upon this:

Quote: 4. It is the common answer of the fathers, that Christ here speaks to his disciples, only as he was the ambassador of his Father; and so he is only to know what he is to make known to men. He is said not to know, says St. Augustine[5], what he will not make others know, or what he will not reveal to them. (Witham) --- By this Jesus Christ wished to suppress the curiosity of his disciples. In the same manner after his resurrection, he answered the same question: 'Tis not for you to know the times and the moments, which the Father has placed in his own power. This last clause is added, that the apostles might not be discouraged and think their divine Master esteemed them unworthy of knowing these things.