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How very sad.

"Several Catholic outlets around the world – including Infovaticana and Chiesa e postconsilio – have reported that Cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga, coordinator of the pope’s “council of nine“, has made some condescending and disrespectful remarks about the four dubia cardinals. The moderate and characteristically gentle Italian journalist and Vatican specialist Marco Tosatti went so far as to say that the elderly Honduran cardinal and papal adviser “attacked” these faithful cardinals “with great violence”."

More here:

http://www.onepeterfive.com/top-papal-ad...cardinals/
I wonder what St. John Bosco would think of his Salesian cardinal.  For that matter, I wonder what he would think of the current pope who attended a Salesian school.
Pope Francis and his followers are quite authoritarian in their way of leading the Church. According to them it is okay to be a practicing homosexual (who am I to judge), the existence of different religions is a gift of God, true Islam is a non-violent religion and it is a grave sin to try to convert an Orthodox, it is also a grave sin to try to convert the jews and even being an atheist is not really a problem because an atheist can go to heaven...but demanding that the Church is obedient to the Tradition equals being a pharisee and pelagian. Makes sense.
(04-21-2017, 05:10 AM)Guingamp Wrote: [ -> ]Pope Francis and his followers are quite authoritarian in their way of leading the Church. According to them it is okay to be a practicing homosexual (who am I to judge), the existence of different religions is a gift of God, true Islam is a non-violent religion and it is a grave sin to try to convert an Orthodox, it is also a grave sin to try to convert the jews and even being an atheist is not really a problem because an atheist can go to heaven...but demanding that the Church is obedient to the Tradition equals being a pharisee and pelagian. Makes sense.

It is really exactly what one expect if an Anti-Catholic wolf somehow got onto the Chair of Peter.  Praise other religions instead of denouncing them, undermine as many tenants of the Catholic Faith as possible, excoriate faithful Catholics for being too rigid, basically do the opposite of confirming the sheep in the Faith and create untold demoralization from every Catholic who still considers the papal claimant valid. 

It is plain as day what is going on here.  Whether he be a Nope or not, the man is a vicious enemy of Catholicism. 
(04-21-2017, 08:04 AM)BC Wrote: [ -> ]It is plain as day what is going on here.  Whether he be a Nope or not, the man is a vicious enemy of Catholicism.
That sounds like really fun slang to distinguish between Popes and Antipopes.

"Was Pius XI a Pope?"
"Yes."
"What about Theodore?"
"He was a Nope."

Grin
(04-21-2017, 03:46 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what St. John Bosco would think of his Salesian cardinal.  For that matter, I wonder what he would think of the current pope who attended a Salesian school.

I'm sure he'd be thinking the same thing that every other saint that ever lived would be thinking right now.
Yes but we must never even come close to falling into the error of Sedevacantism, which is apostasy. Indeed the Sedevacantist error is more apostate that anything we can accuse Pope Francis of doing, in my opinion.
(04-21-2017, 03:31 PM)Mark Williams Wrote: [ -> ]Yes but we must never even come close to falling into the error of Sedevacantism, which is apostasy. Indeed the Sedevacantist error is more apostate that anything we can accuse Pope Francis of doing, in my opinion.
Why do you think so? I am not a Sedevacantist but - emotionally - I understand their position. It is a desperate attempt to remain catholic. The modernists simply lost their faith.
(04-21-2017, 03:31 PM)Mark Williams Wrote: [ -> ]Yes but we must never even come close to falling into the error of Sedevacantism, which is apostasy. Indeed the Sedevacantist error is more apostate that anything we can accuse Pope Francis of doing, in my opinion.

It's hardly apostasy, which is the complete rejection of the Christian faith. At most, it's schism.
(04-21-2017, 03:31 PM)Mark Williams Wrote: [ -> ]Yes but we must never even come close to falling into the error of Sedevacantism, which is apostasy. Indeed the Sedevacantist error is more apostate that anything we can accuse Pope Francis of doing, in my opinion.

It is not sedevacantism to dislike the pope, or to believe that he is making decisions and statements that are seriously harmful to people's faith. We must respect the office of the Pope, even if the one holding it doesn't seem to respect it.

That being said, at some point the confusion caused by Pope Francis will have to be addressed. I'm sure at least some blame will be pointed directly at him eventually. It may not happen while he is still pope. It may not even happen in my lifetime, but I believe with all my heart that he is causing serious scandal and is confusing those whose faith is weak. He will have to make an account for that, most especially because he truly is the pope.