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I am wondering what do Catholics say about the teaching in this video?

It's an old, tired canard, and it's completely false.

The Catholic Church was instituted by Christ (Matthew 16:18 and the Pentecost narrative). If you look at the time before the protestant revolt and read the Early Church Fathers (those who were in contact with the Apostles, or otherwise lived in the earliest days of Christianity), you'll see that those men taught the following.

On the Catholicity of the Church: http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...hurch.html
On the nature of the priesthood: http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...n-and.html
On the Holy Eucharist as Our Lord, not a symbol: http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...arist.html
On the Sacrament of Confession: http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...ssion.html
On Baptism, including the Baptism of infants: http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...ptism.html
On the Blessed Virgin Mary: http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...-mary.html
On Purgatory: http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...atory.html

For a refutation of the "The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon/Great Harlot" claim, please refer to page 15 of this e-book: https://www.fisheaters.com/TheFisheaters...onBook.pdf

If you are a protestant asking this question, please look into the links I provided above, and please, for the good of your soul, give this video a watch:
 

God bless you.
(07-15-2017, 12:57 PM)In His Love Wrote: [ -> ]It's an old, tired canard, and it's completely false.

Please refer to page 15 of this e-book:

https://www.fisheaters.com/TheFisheaters...onBook.pdf

God bless you.

Thank you for the reply 'In His Love'.

I looked at the book on page 15 and here is what it says:

Jerusalem as Whore: Isaiah 1:21, Jeremiah 2:20, Jeremiah 3:1-3, and Ezekiel
16:15-18
 The “whore” is “the great city (Apocalypse 17:15-18), which is Jerusalem where
“the Lord was crucified”: Apocalypse 11:8
 Description of the OT priests: Exodus 28
 Mountains of Jerusalem: Psalms 125:2 (7 Mts.: Goath, Gareb, Acra, Bezetha,
Zion, Ophel, &. Moriah)
 Rome built on hills, not mountains. Scripture uses both words: Luke 3:5, Luke
23:30
 Antichrist denies the Father and the Son: 1 John 2:22
 Antichrist denies Christ has come in the flesh (it is Protestants who deny the
Eucharist): 1 John 4:3

I was hoping someone with maybe a little bit more personal study on the matter would be able to reply because this booklet is way off base it seems.
The Mother Of Harlot has nothing to do with the antichrist which is talked of in 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2. Besides that the antichrist is a man.
The Mother Of Harlots is a city. Revelation 17:8 KJV "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
All of the descriptions in chapter 17 match up with Rome like the video states and none really match up with Jerusalem? So I am having a hard time understanding?

That page 15 only seems to confirm what the video is stating. Can anyone with more experience offer your opinion on the matter?
Hi again!

Please look back at my post. I added some very important information.

If you're a protestant, please look into that information.
So because the Pope was pictured in scarlet with the heretic Anglican "bishop" of Canterbury, and Rome is known as the Seven Hills...that equates to a whore and seven mountains? :huh:

Very weak video if you ask me. I read this and I "think" it refers to Rome. What is the authority of this video?
The simply fact that many people spend their time creating these kind of absurd theories when reading scripture proves that there is a necessity for an ultimate authority for its interpreration.

And if there is the necesity for such an authority, an omniscient God would have instituted it when being incarnate, wouldn't he?
(07-16-2017, 04:13 AM)JosefSilouan Wrote: [ -> ]The simply fact that many people spend their time creating these kind of absurd theories when reading scripture proves that there is a necessity for an ultimate authority for its interpreration.

And if there is the necesity for such an authority, an omniscient God would have instituted it when being incarnate, wouldn't he?


I don't see how it is absurd if you actually look at the evidence in the video.
Catholics teach that the harlot is Jerusalem but that doesn't make any sense.
Rome and the Roman Catholic Church seem to be the only ones that line up with scripture.
(07-16-2017, 09:45 PM)AustinS Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-16-2017, 04:13 AM)JosefSilouan Wrote: [ -> ]The simply fact that many people spend their time creating these kind of absurd theories when reading scripture proves that there is a necessity for an ultimate authority for its interpreration.

And if there is the necesity for such an authority, an omniscient God would have instituted it when being incarnate, wouldn't he?


I don't see how it is absurd if you actually look at the evidence in the video.
Catholics teach that the harlot is Jerusalem but that doesn't make any sense.
Rome and the Roman Catholic Church seem to be the only ones that line up with scripture.

Austin, would you mind answering a question for me, please?

What do you believe, as (I'm guessing) a protestant, is the pillar and foundation of truth in the Christian faith?
(07-17-2017, 02:38 AM)In His Love Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-16-2017, 09:45 PM)AustinS Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-16-2017, 04:13 AM)JosefSilouan Wrote: [ -> ]The simply fact that many people spend their time creating these kind of absurd theories when reading scripture proves that there is a necessity for an ultimate authority for its interpreration.

And if there is the necesity for such an authority, an omniscient God would have instituted it when being incarnate, wouldn't he?


I don't see how it is absurd if you actually look at the evidence in the video.
Catholics teach that the harlot is Jerusalem but that doesn't make any sense.
Rome and the Roman Catholic Church seem to be the only ones that line up with scripture.

Austin, would you mind answering a question for me, please?

What do you believe, as (I'm guessing) a protestant, is the pillar and foundation of truth in the Christian faith?




I believe the Bible. I don't know what denomination that would be, someone who believes the Bible and doesn't try to use private interpretations or unorthodox interpretations.
2 Peter 1:20 KJV "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
"I believe the Bible. I don't know what denomination that would be, someone who believes the Bible and doesn't try to use private interpretations or unorthodox interpretations.

2 Peter 1:20 KJV "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." "


It's good that you believe the Bible. All faithful Catholics believe the Bible as well.

The Bible specifically says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The KJV uses the word "ground."

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15 (KJV)

And how can we know what that church is like? We have to look at the very earliest Christians and see what they say, because they followed after the Apostles themselves.

For one thing, it's hierarchical. Please take note of the years in which these people lived; it's very important.

Ignatius of Antioch Epistle to the Smyrnaeans ch 8 [50-117 AD]

"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church..."

http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...hurch.html

In this quote, we see that by the time St. Ignatius arrived, there was a presbytery (what would later be called the priesthood), diaconate, and bishopric. He also uses the term "Eucharist," which I will talk about in a moment. Finally, he uses the term 'Catholic Church.' As early as the first/second century, the Church was called Catholic.

Now, speaking of "Eucharist," the Church also has a Sacramental system.

I'll outline each of the Church's seven Sacraments for you and include both Scripture and the writings of the Early Church Fathers. All Scripture I will quote will be from the King James Version.

1) The Holy Eucharist

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." - John 6:53-57

Ignatius of Antioch Epistle to the Smyrnaeans ch 6-8 [50-117 AD]

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid."

Please note how St. Ignatius says that the heterodox (ie, unorthodox) have opinions that are contrary to the mind of God, and these same people abstain from the Eucharist and prayer because they do not believe Our Lord is truly present, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Blessed Sacrament. In other words, they believe it's just bread.

http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...arist.html

2) Baptism

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." - Matthew 28:19-20

The Church, from the very beginning, has taught that Baptism is both necessary for every Christian and that it can be administered to infants.

Cyprian of Carthage epistle 58.6 (200-270 ad)
"And therefore, dearest brother, this was our opinion in council, that by us no one ought to be hindered from baptism and from the grace of God, who is merciful and kind and loving to all. Which, since it is to he observed and maintained in respect of all, we think is to be even more observed in respect of infants and newly-born persons, who on this very account deserve more from our help and from the divine mercy, that immediately, on the very beginning of their birth, lamenting and weeping, they do nothing else but entreat. We bid you, dearest brother, ever heartily farewell."

http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...ptism.html

3) Confirmation

"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." - Acts 8:14-17

Tertullian On Baptism ch 7-8 [160-240 AD]

"After coming from the place of washing we are thoroughly anointed with a blessed unction, from the ancient discipline by which [those] in the priesthood . . . were accustomed to be anointed with a horn of oil, ever since Aaron was anointed by Moses. . . . So also with us, the unction runs on the body and profits us spiritually, in the same way that baptism itself is a corporal act by which we are plunged in water, while its effect is spiritual, in that we are freed from sins. After this, the hand is imposed for a blessing, invoking and inviting the Holy Spirit"

http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...ation.html

4) Confession

"And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." - John 20:22-23

Cyprian of Carthage Treatise 3 par 29[200-270 AD]
"I entreat you, beloved brethren, that each one should confess his own sin, while he who has sinned is still in this world, while his confession may be received, while the satisfaction and remission made by the priests are pleasing to the Lord?"

http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...ssion.html

Please take note of the usage of "priests" in this quote.

5) Holy Orders

"Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them." - Acts 6:2-6

Clement of Rome Recognitions book 10 ch 68 (27-97 ad)

"Laodicea, Peter ordered the people to meet on the following day; and having ordained one of those who followed him as bishop over them, and others as presbyters, and having baptized multitudes, and restored to health all who were troubled with sicknesses or demons"

http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...n-and.html

6) Holy Matrimony

"For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh." - Mark 10:7-8

Clement of Alexandria Stromata Book 2 Ch 23 (150-215 ad)

"Marriage is the first conjunction of man and woman for the procreation of legitimate children."

http://practicalapologetics.blogspot.ca/...e-and.html

7) Anointing of the Sick/Extreme Unction

"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." - James 5:14-16

Caesar of Arles

“As often as some infirmity overtakes a man, let him who is ill receive the body and blood of Christ; let him humbly and in faith ask the presbyters for blessed oil, to anoint his body, so that what was written may be fulfilled in him: ‘Is anyone among you sick? Let him bring in the presbyters, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he be in sins, they will be forgiven him. . . . See to it, brethren, that whoever is ill hasten to the church, both that he may receive health of body and will merit to obtain the forgiveness of his sins” (Sermons 13[325]:3 [A.D. 542]).

This also references "body and blood of Christ" in reference to the Holy Eucharist.

http://www.churchfathers.org/category/sa...-the-sick/

I sincerely hope this helps you as you search for answers, Austin.
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