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Excellent article https://onepeterfive.com/nostra-aetate-mohammedans/ and one of the many reasons I believe we are close to the End Times.
Not sure what the article has to do with the end times, but it certainly goes to show that if the Church is ever to return to sanity, most of what has come from the 60s onward need to be wiped out and even anathematized.
                                                                   What I meant is that it clearly represents a departure from what Catholics believed prior to Vatican II.  Before divorce and remarriage, and homosexual relationships had become pretty much approved by some Catholic Bishops, we first saw the growing acceptance of false religions, i,e Islam, Judaism by the Vatican.
This again? Haven't we been over repeatedly whether worshipping God the Father, while denying that God is a Trinity, is the same God or not?
The Church won't get well till they ditch Ecumenism and preach the JESUS is GOD not a prophet or good man, that he left a Church on earth with 7 Sacraments that is the Only entrance to Heaven and that the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church , there is NO Salvation) is preached loudly again. Don't remember it was either Rousseau or Voltaire who said all freedom should be tolerated except saying Outside the Church there is No Salvation. Satan's disciples know the faith better than most priests these days.
On a related note, I kind of wish that the renewal of the baptismal promises for Easter also included a affirmation of the Tridentine Creed by all. Now how fun would that be?
(04-01-2018, 10:46 AM)Eric F Wrote: [ -> ]                                                                   What I meant is that it clearly represents a departure from what Catholics believed prior to Vatican II.  Before divorce and remarriage, and homosexual relationships had become pretty much approved by some Catholic Bishops, we first saw the growing acceptance of false religions, i,e Islam, Judaism by the Vatican.

I think Vatican II was just one of many steps the Church has taken since then to inch us closer and closer to the one world religion which the Antichrist will rule over.
(04-01-2018, 08:24 PM)GangGreen Wrote: [ -> ]On a related note, I kind of wish that the renewal of the baptismal promises for Easter also included a affirmation of the Tridentine Creed by all. Now how fun would that be?

Or stick to the pre-1955 Easter Vigil, which doesn't have the renewal of promises. Or the vernacular. Or anything Bugnini.
(04-02-2018, 01:47 PM)Paul Wrote: [ -> ]Or stick to the pre-1955 Easter Vigil, which doesn't have the renewal of promises. Or the vernacular. Or anything Bugnini.

I see nothing wrong with the renewal of promises. However, for people to have to affirm the Tridentine Creed would be amazing. Could Pope Francis affirm everything in the Tridentine Creed?

Quote:I, N, with a firm faith believe and profess each and everything which is contained in the Creed which the Holy Roman Church maketh use of. To wit:

[NICENE CREED]

I most steadfastly admit and embrace Apostolical and ecclesiastical traditions, and all other observances and constitutions of the Church.
I also admit the Holy Scripture according to that sense which our holy mother the Church hath held, and doth hold, to whom it belongeth to judge of the true sense and interpretations of the Scriptures. Neither will I ever take and interpret them otherwise than according to the unanimous consent of the Fathers.
I also profess that there are truly and properly Seven Sacraments of the New Law, instituted by Jesus Christ our Lord, and necessary for the salvation of mankind, though not all for every one; to wit, Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Penance, Extreme Unction, Holy Orders, and Matrimony; and that they confer grace; and that of these, Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Orders cannot be reiterated without sacrilege.
I also receive and admit the received and approved ceremonies of the Catholic Church in the solemn administration of the aforesaid sacraments.
I embrace and receive all and every one of the things which have been defined and declared in the holy Council of Trent concerning original sin and justification.
I profess, likewise, that in the Mass there is offered to God a true, proper, and propitiatory sacrifice for the living and the dead; and that in the most holy sacrament of the Eucharist there is truly, really, and substantially, the Body and Blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ; and that there is made a conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood, which conversion the Catholic Church calls Transubstantiation. I also confess that under either kind alone Christ is received whole and entire, and a true sacrament.
I constantly hold that there is a Purgatory, and that the souls therein detained are helped by the suffrages of the faithful. Likewise, that the saints, reigning together with Christ, are to be honored and invoked, and that they offer prayers to God for us, and that their relics are to be venerated.
I most firmly assert that the images of Christ, of the Mother of God, ever virgin, and also of other Saints, ought to be had and retained, and that due honor and veneration is to be given them.
I also affirm that the power of indulgences was left by Christ in the Church, and that the use of them is most wholesome to Christian people.
I acknowledge the Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church as the mother and mistress of all churches; and I promise true obedience to the Bishop of Rome, successor to St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and Vicar of Jesus Christ.
I likewise undoubtedly receive and profess all other things delivered, defined, and declared by the sacred Canons, and general Councils, and particularly by the holy Council of Trent, and by the ecumenical Council of the Vatican, particularly concerning the primacy of the Roman Pontiff and his infallible teaching. I condemn, reject, and anathematize all things contrary thereto, and all heresies which the Church hath condemned, rejected, and anathematized.
This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved, which I now freely profess and to which I truly adhere, inviolate and with firm constancy until the last breath of life, I do so profess and swear to maintain with the help of God. And I shall strive, as far as possible, that this same faith shall be held, taught, and professed by all those over whom I have charge. I N. do so pledge, promise, and swear, so help me God and these Holy Gospels.
Remember that Latin has no equivalent of the word "the," so the document reads that Muslims adore one God, which is true. The translations of these documents very often have an agenda behind them, my guess is that the use of the word 'the' here is an example of this.
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