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Germany’s President, Other Celebrities Wade Into Contentious Intercommunion Debate

TV personality Eckart von Hirschhausen, a Protestant who is married to a Catholic, publicly demanded to be ‘handed that wafer’ because he pays Germany’s church tax.

Anian Christoph Wimmer/CNA/EWTN News
MUENSTER, Germany —The unresolved debate over a proposal to allow Protestant spouses of Catholics to receive communion in German dioceses under some limited circumstances has gathered steam after the country’s president waded into the debate at the major national Catholic conference in the town of Muenster.

The planned proposal has been championed by Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Munich and Freising, president of the German bishops’ conference, who announced in February that the conference would publish a pastoral handout for married couples that allows Protestant spouses of Catholics “in individual cases” and “under certain conditions” to receive Holy Communion, provided they “affirm the Catholic faith in the Eucharist.”

Subsequently, seven German bishops, led by Cardinal Rainer Woelki of Cologne, petitioned the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for clarification, asking whether the question of Holy Communion for Protestant spouses in interdenominational marriages can be decided on the level of a national bishops’ conference, or if rather, “a decision of the Universal Church” is required in the matter.

Speaking in an interview with EWTN this week, Cardinal Woelki reaffirmed his position, calling for all parties to “consider and recognize that the Eucharist is ordered to the unity of the creed.”


The Katholikentag event drew several tens of thousands of Catholics from German-speaking Europe to Muenster May 9-11, and saw not only politicians and Cardinals Marx and Woelki restating and clarifying their respective positions, but provided a stage to Germany’s president, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, saying, in the keynote speech that opened the event: “Let us seek ways of expressing the common Christian faith by sharing in the Last Supper and Communion. I am sure: Thousands of Christians in interdenominational marriages are hoping for this.”

Similarly, Cardinal Marx stated that he hoped there soon would be a solution to the Communion debate, declaring May 9: “When someone is hungry and has faith, they must have access to the Eucharist. That must be our passion, and I will not let up on this.”


A peculiarly polemical form of this “hunger” caused something of a public scandal shortly after, when an official panel discussion played host to one celebrity’s demand to be “handed that wafer [the Most Blessed Sacrament]” since he pays for it with his Church tax.

Speaking on stage with Cardinal Woelki, the comedian and TV personality Eckart von Hirschhausen sharply criticized the Catholic Church’s teaching — to applause from the predominantly Catholic audience — saying, “I don’t see the point of a public debate about wafers” since climate change, on his view, was a “far more serious” issue.

Since he, as a Protestant spouse to a Catholic, pays Church tax and thus considered himself “a major sponsor,” the Church had “better happily hand out a wafer for it, or give me back my money!”, said von Hirschhausen, to an applauding crowd.


The crowd’s mood notwithstanding, Cardinal Woelki politely but firmly disagreed. “As a Catholic, I would never speak of a wafer. Using this concept alone demonstrates that we have a very different understanding” of what the Archbishop of Cologne then reminded the audience “is the Most Blessed Sacrament,” in which “Catholics encounter Christ Himself.”


With CNA’s German edition, CNA Deutsch, covering the diatribe, Catholics on social media quickly reacted with outrage to Hirschhausen’s pronouncements, triggering an apology on the following day, which in turn was widely discussed.

In an interview with EWTN’s German edition, Cardinal Woelki noted the ecclesiological import of the Eucharist: “The Eucharist constitutes the ecclesial community of the Church. The Eucharist and the Church’s community are very, very close to one another.”


“Now, of course I understand that this constitutes a certain challenge, and that people may experience it as a form of suffering, in particular in the case of interdenominational marriages, that they may not be able to receive the Eucharist together.”


At the same time, the Archbishop of Cologne said, “it is of vital importance for us to recognize that whoever says ‘yes’ to the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, acknowledging that Christ is indeed really present, thereby naturally also says ‘yes’ to the Papacy, and the hierarchical structure of the Church, and the veneration of the saints and much, much more.”

Any solution found in Germany could also not constitute some form of exceptionalism, but would have to be fully compatible with the universal Church, Woelki told EWTN’s Christina Link-Blumrath, again making an ecclesiological point: “As the Catholic Church, we also have to point out that we are a part and parcel of the universal Church. There can be no German exceptionalism.”


Just before these latest developments, on May 3, seven German bishops attended an inconclusive meeting at the Vaticanto discuss prospective guidelines allowing non-Catholic spouses of Catholics to receive the Eucharist in certain “limited circumstances,” with the Vatican sending the Germans back, saying Pope Francis wants the bishops to come to an agreement among themselves.

Rudolf Gehrig contributed to this report.
If the pope didn't want communion for protestant spouses he wouldn't have given the bishops the opportunity to come to  a consensus. What happens if the bishops all decide its ok,will he rubber stamp it? I'm genuinely curious.
(05-16-2018, 02:19 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: [ -> ]If the pope didn't want communion for protestant spouses he wouldn't have given the bishops the opportunity to come to  a consensus. What happens if the bishops all decide its ok,will he rubber stamp it? I'm genuinely curious.

They won't come to a consensus. Cardinal Marx(ist) has already floated the idea that different Dioceses will have different rules. In other words, certain Dioceses may leave the Catholic Faith, whilst others will remain Catholic.

And I'm sure Francis will be A-OK with that, since it was his heresy, introduced in AL, that led to the atmosphere in which tis question could be raised.
it's the "dumbing down of the Eucharist" as it were

Christianity survived for 1521 years, then Luther the heretic came along and started what hecalled a "church"

then poeple disagreed w/ him and started other "churches"

now we have something like 70,000 differen't "churches" all teaching something different.

The Catholics always had the Eucharist to distinguish themselves from other "faith communities" but now we don't even have that, according to some so called Catholics (Of course We in the Know know that Jesus promised to be with us and we FEEL his presence in the Church -- the one He established, the only one there is objectively speaking)

I think Jesus is about tired of all this nonsense. I say he is coming back soon

true, no one knows the day or the time but things are looking pretty strange--and like Jesus just should come back and there is no other way-------------
What options does it leave for Catholics living in dioceses where bishops allow this? If i were an RC in one of these dioceses i would refuse to attend ANY chapel under the leadership of such a bishop. This is pretty serious business. Its blazing a precedent for open communion.


Just don't forget,stuff like Communion in the hand were allowances in a few places that spread globally. What's to stop this from happening and some legalist canon lawyer engaging in good old verbal gymnastics and casuistry in order help explain away peoples concerns?