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Not sure if this has been at the tank nor know how to judge the implications here, particularly longer-term implications ...

Haven't even properly digested it. But I hurriedly place it here, anyway.

Link: http://www.lepantoinstitute.org/censor-the-message/


Censor the message?

According to some reports, the final version of the Synod document calls attention to the need for “certification systems for Catholic websites, to counter the spread of fake news regarding the Church.”[1] [/color]

Apparently, this certification will be a form of a denial of approval from some Vatican official or other. Juan Perón, the Argentine dictator that was once the hero of Pope Francis, would have approved of such measures while rubbing his palms and smiling, as it was his custom. During his reign in Argentina in the pre-television age, he exercised total control of all newspapers and radio.

Imperatives drive policy


It is obvious that there is a portion of the Vatican curia that feels threatened by the influence of a growing Internet commentariat. Among the many authors writing in blogs and websites, there are many that are theologically informed and capable of guiding the public honestly. Among the Catholic authors, some are priests or religious with inside information not normally accessible to Catholic laity or the general public. 

Truthful and honest information coming from such sources do not threaten the eternal truths or the mission of the Catholic Church. The truth threatens the power of those groups that have infiltrated the high circles of the hierarchy. Truth uncovers the narratives that those groups try to impose on the Church at large. The ungodly goals of those powerful groups currently steering the Church are: to force the Church to approve the principles of the so-called sexual revolution, and the acceptance of Marxism through the teachings of the Theology of Liberation.

The Church has always dealt with fake news. In former times we called them heresies. Are those groups that so obviously oppose the permanent, orthodox teaching of the Church going to put the “fake” label on someone who tells the truth? Now hold that thought, because many of us have seen that happen in the political realm. Political correctness began exactly in that way. 

The cultural Marxist first projects his own fault towards the opponent —i.e. the Marxist’s own blatant racism—and then labels his opponent as a “racist” to gain the high moral ground. From that moment on, the Marxist will be the judge of everyone’s actions, labeling that person racist, that other a “sexist,” the other a “homophobic,” and so on. The process starts with a Freudian projection and ends with a label on some poor chap’s forehead. That technique is meant to divide people. People are more easily dominated if they are divided while the unscrupulous leader controls the political narrative.

No longer informed by truth

Too many leaders of the Church have abandoned the truth of the Gospel. Ever since the days of Vatican II, ambiguity and theological novelties have taken precedence over the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16-20.) The consequences of that mistake are now evident.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is powerful enough to gradually move believers to live according to the truth. The mission of the Church is to constantly give witness to Christ, shepherding souls towards salvation. If truth takes a second place, the message of the Church loses force and it has to be replaced with raw power. Benedict XVI expressed that clearly:

Quote:“Without truth, without trust and love for what is true, there is no social conscience and responsibility, and social action ends up serving private interests and the logic of power, resulting in social fragmentation, especially in a globalized society at difficult times like the present.” (Caritas in Veritate 5.)

Some wise soul left us this wonderful counsel: “The truth is like a lion. You don’t have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.” In times past, when ideas were disseminated either by public speech or books, the Church wisely maintained an Index of heretical books, saving the faithful the time and expense of reading such heresies. That Index became impractical as the world gradually entered the information age. Like that proverbial lion, the truth of Christ prevails very well on its own devices, not because of the power of the Church to censor heresy.


We have to conclude that this idea of labeling Internet sites is an intent to sustain (by force) the narrative of certain postconciliar currents of the Church. In the absence of Divine Truth, raw power has to be exercised.


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It seems to me that our present crisis began when the Great Commission was replaced by a misunderstanding, a new imperative to “dialog with the world.” Benedict XVI warned us:

Quote:“Truth, in fact, is lógos which creates diá-logos, and hence communication and communion. Truth, by enabling men and women to let go of their subjective opinions and impressions, allows them to move beyond cultural and historical limitations and to come together in the assessment of the value and substance of things.” (Caritas in Veritate 4.)

Pope Benedict wisely places communication before communion because the Church is not seeking to find the truth through dialog. Why? Because the Church has received the fullness of the truth in Christ: “And he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.” (Ephesians 1:22 NRSVACE.) When we communicate the Gospel, we avail ourselves of the power of Christ to fill souls with his life, like the ocean waters that can easily fill an empty cup. The filling of that soul with the truth of Christ is what we call communion. For that simple reason, communion can never precede communication. We cannot foolishly enter into a two-way communication with the world intending to find the truth.


Christ instructed the Church to go and preach the Gospel. (Matthew 28:16-20.) That is to teach to others what we have received. The Church has received the whole truth necessary for the salvation of mankind. That truth is unchangeable; it is part of nature itself. Neither a Pope nor a council of the Church can change it. Since Christ came into this world, nothing can be added to the truth; nothing substantial can be appended to our faith.


The Church is both a mother and a teacher of truth. Error has no right to stand before truth. There is no valid dialog we can sustain with error or darkness. “Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14 NRSVACE.)

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The new electronic media caught many by surprise. Huge media enterprises like leading radio and television networks, newspapers, and news organizations are still trying to adapt to the new reality. So far they have reacted with all the agility of an elephant trying to catch a fly. The forces that are currently trying to steer the Church away from her God-given mission are no exception. The myriad of pages, blogs, email and social media aggregates of faithful Catholics who know their faith well are constantly pointing at their mistakes and the mediocrity of their message. 

The postconciliar “church of nice” leaders have managed to silence the truth to some extent but they could not dumb down the entire Church. With the arrival of the Internet, many new voices are asking the obvious questions: “Isn’t homosexuality a grave sin?” or “Didn’t Jesus himself say that those who divorce and remarry are guilty of adultery?” just to mention two examples out of many.

As the Synod of Young People progressed, those Internet warriors of truth were able to expose the efforts of the postconciliar heretics to cover up the crimes of the infiltrated homosexual priests. The revelations of complicity among those in the higher echelons of the Vatican curia flew around the world at the speed of light when Monsignor Viganò revealed them to … faithful Catholic bloggers!


Truth is indeed like a mighty lion that can no longer be kept behind bars in the Roman zoo. It is roaming the streets of the Holy City and soon will devour those who wanted to suppress her. All we have to do is set her free.


Quote:“In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I solemnly urge you: proclaim the message; be persistent whether the time is favorable or unfavorable; convince, rebuke, and encourage, with the utmost patience in teaching. For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander away to myths. As for you, always be sober, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, carry out your ministry fully.” Words of St. Paul in 2 Timothy 4:1-5.
I wonder if it will be anything like granting an imprimatur or nihil obstat for printed material? It would be hard to regulate information on the internet in that way though, because there is rarely a final version of any website. New stuff is always being added.
I wouldn't be too concerned. Francis is losing credibility with almost everyone. Even some liberals were aghast at his shutting down the US Bishops conference proposals for dealing with sex abuse. The man is becoming a caricature of himself with his "Great Accuser" twaddle. The people who were warning about Fisheaters, Church Militant, Gloria TV, The Remnant, Angelqueen, 1 Peter 5, Eponymous Flower, etc, etc, now, are the same people who were doing it when Benedict was Pope. They're the types who believe it's totally harmless if you read pro-atheist, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-Islamic, pro-communist literature,etc, BUT believe you should stay away from traditional Catholic materials that are critical of moderrn Catholic clerics because they could poison your mind.
Right now any Seal of Approval from the Vatican is useless.
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Francis is personally scrambling things up so badly that he has no influence over Catholics.  Yes, we would love to love our Pope, but Francis ain't the guy.  Who would be the guy to give the "stamp"?  Francis? Nope, too busy eating dinner with DiCaprio.  Name a Cardinal you trust?  Name a Cardinal you don't trust?  See. Useless because they have lost their teaching authority.
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It may take years to fix things again once he is out of the Chair.  Folks like the SSPX could be very helpful to get us back to basics, The One, True Faith instead of this Francis Smorgasbord.
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God is still here.  God is in the Church. Jesus will never abandon the Church.  But that doesn't guarantee that the Pope, the Cardinals and the Hierarchy and listening to God.  It takes two to tango.
(11-22-2018, 03:00 AM)MaryTN Wrote: [ -> ]Right now any Seal of Approval from the Vatican is useless.

I would disagree. I think it would be highly useful in knowing what sites to avoid. Sort of like Tommy Rosica's list of 'approved (anti)Catholic sites':

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Take a good look at what the heretic recommends. The USCCB, his own homosexual agenda pushing site, the National Catholic Distorter, The Tablet (the UK's Fishwrap), and other choice sites that can be guaranteed to present the news with an anti-Catholic slant.

In fact, most of the blogs I read have made it clear that if this idiotic idea is actually implemented, they will trumpet the fact that they are not approved. Anyone looking for honest reporting will know not to go to an approved site. 
Interesting responses so far that resonate with me - though I remain unsure if Francis is as permanently damaged as it appears to us trads.

One issue not mentioned yet though is the obedience here - obedience that is so core to tradition.

When we see how many Saints obeyed their superiors even while not believing them or remained silent even in the face of massed heresy and apostasy (as St Pio seems to in the 1960s) ...

My voice trails off. I do not mean to insinuate anything. I myself am actually very confused by this matter of obedience at a terrible time like this for the Church.
Roger, there is a qualitative difference in the obedience required of a religious, and that required of a layman. And I don't think 'obedience' can be stretched, for Priest or layman, to require covering up filthy perversion and financial crimes which are what's being exposed.  And that's exactly what Francis and his lickspittle toadies like Rosica want us to quit talking about in the hope all the problems will 'just go away'.
(11-23-2018, 01:08 AM)jovan66102 Wrote: [ -> ]Roger, there is a qualitative difference in the obedience required of a religious, and that required of a layman. And I don't think 'obedience' can be stretched, for Priest or layman, to require covering up filthy perversion and financial crimes which are what's being exposed.  And that's exactly what Francis and his lickspittle toadies like Rosica want us to quit talking about in the hope all the problems will 'just go away'.

But what then can one do to convince those who see this absurd dichotomy of Catholics preaching about obedience and paying lip-service to the Pope, but giving him as much respect as one would a heretic?

This is the 800-lb elephant that has to be addressed. Otherwise those who are not comforted by complex overly-byzantine ideas and concepts of papal infallibility from theologians, are only going to be driven to either Sedevacantism, Sederaptism ("Ratzinger is still Pope" crowd), or Schism to the Eastern Orthodoxy.
(11-23-2018, 12:24 PM)austenbosten Wrote: [ -> ]But what then can one do to convince those who see this absurd dichotomy of Catholics preaching about obedience and paying lip-service to the Pope, but giving him as much respect as one would a heretic?

This is the 800-lb elephant that has to be addressed.  Otherwise those who are not comforted by complex overly-byzantine ideas and concepts of papal infallibility from theologians, are only going to be driven to either Sedevacantism, Sederaptism ("Ratzinger is still Pope" crowd), or Schism to the Eastern Orthodoxy.

Nobody is ever to be obeyed if he commands something sinful. Either it's sinful to fail to report abuse to the police, in which case a command to remain silent cannot be obeyed, or it isn't sinful, in which case the cover-up is no big deal. And we know the Church has always taught that silence can make one an accessory to sin.

One of the commandments is to honour your father and mother. A father who spends his child's childhood in and out of prison isn't to be imitated or approved of, but if he tells his son to do something that isn't sinful, he's to obey. And he's still the child's father and owed the respect due a parent, even if the son is better off rarely, if ever, associating with him, especially once he's an adult. Even our Lord told the Apostles to obey the chief priests, even as He repeatedly condemned their hypocrisy.

And the dogma is papal infallibility, not papal impeccability.
Thank you, Paul. That was my point. There is no such thing as required 'obedience' to sinful commands. And in this case, the attempts at silencing people under the guise of 'obedience' is sinful in itself, and if obeyed, would lead to more sin and suffering.
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