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FFS. From The Catholic Herald:


Amazon synod ‘will discuss replacing bread with yuca at Mass’
Staff Reporter  

4 March, 2019

A theologian said it is difficult to store wheat bread in the Amazon climate, however there are doubts over the validity of such a move

A leading South American theologian has said October’s Amazon Synod will discuss replacing bread used in the consecration of the Eucharist with yuca, a shrub native to the region.

Jesuit Fr Francisco Taborda said traditional bread usually used in the Mass often turns to mush in the extreme humidity of the Amazon, meaning “it’s not bread, and if it’s not bread, it’s not the Eucharist.”
 
Quote:I guess storing them with a dessicant is just too hard.
  
The priest, a professor of theology at the Jesuit university in Belo Horizonte, Brazil, told Crux that bread in the region is most commonly made out of yuca.

While changing the type of bread used in the Eucharist is “a very complex questions”, Fr Taborda said the question will almost certainly arise in the Synod, and that it should be decided by local bishops.

However, there are doubts over the validity of such a move. On his blog, Fr John Zuhlsdorf said: “For the Eucharist to be confected validly, only bread of wheat may be used.  In the Latin Church we use only unleavened bread, as Christ used at the Last Supper.”

“No wheat… no Eucharist,” he added.

Fr Taborda also said that the ordination of married men to the priesthood will be on the agenda for the Synod.

“There is a shortage of priests,” he said which requires a “re-thinking of how it can be done so that every community…can have the Sunday Eucharist.”

One proposed solution is the ordination of mature married men, so-called viri probati. When asked if the “re-thinking” included this measure, Fr Taborda said “that’s what this is about”.

Quote:But of course. I think mature married women would do nicely, too.

We know what'll follow: "Married priests work out great! Haven't you been paying attention to what's going on in the Amazon?!"
Well, I just watched a Q&A episode here in Australia on the Pell conviction (surprised I haven't seen a thread on that yet). Main take away is it's a fire sale and everything must go, married priests, female priests, no hierarchy, laity call all the shots etc etc lol.

Another protestant revolt is here but today they are trying to take over the Church rather then schism, they will have to eventually schism though one way or another, then we will know who's who.

"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."

God Bless You
"Jesuit Fr Francisco Taborda said traditional bread usually used in the Mass often turns to mush in the extreme humidity of the Amazon, meaning “it’s not bread, and if it’s not bread, it’s not the Eucharist.”"

Man, did the Jesuit order ever take a hit. I love St. Francis Xavier. He must be really disturbed seeing his order like this.

If it's yuca, it's not the Eucharist either...

God help us.
(03-05-2019, 10:20 AM)In His Love Wrote: [ -> ]"Jesuit Fr Francisco Taborda said traditional bread usually used in the Mass often turns to mush in the extreme humidity of the Amazon, meaning “it’s not bread, and if it’s not bread, it’s not the Eucharist.”"

Man, did the Jesuit order ever take a hit. I love St. Francis Xavier. He must be really disturbed seeing his order like this.

If it's yuca, it's not the Eucharist either...

God help us.

That priest does have a point with that quote. It is why hosts are dissolved in water, for example. St. Thomas says:


Quote:Sometimes there is such corruption of the bread that the species of bread is lost, as when the continuity of its parts is destroyed, and the taste, color, and other accidents are changed; hence the body of Christ may not be made from such matter. But sometimes there is not such corruption as to alter the species, but merely disposition towards corruption, which a slight change in the savor betrays, and from such bread the body of Christ may be made: but he who does so, sins from irreverence towards the sacrament. And because starch comes of corrupted wheat, it does not seem as if the body of Christ could be made of the bread made therefrom, although some hold the contrary.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4074.htm#article3

But that doesn't thereby imply yuca is ok. The universal testimony of the Church in all places and times is wheat alone is the matter.  That being said, St. Thomas does say a "moderate mixing" of other materials would not affect the matter of the sacrament, so maybe there is a solution there (although, from what I understand, Church law currently forbids it)?


Quote:A moderate mixing does not alter the species, because that little is as it were absorbed by the greater. Consequently, then, if a small quantity of another grain be mixed with a much greater quantity of wheat, bread may be made therefrom so as to be the proper matter of this sacrament; but if the mixing be notable, for instance, half and half; or nearly so, then such mixing alters the species; consequently, bread made therefrom will not be the proper matter of this sacrament.
"That priest does have a point with that quote. It is why hosts are dissolved in water, for example."

Fair enough. But it doesn't make sense to discuss yuca as matter. Why not, as Vox said, use a certain method of storage that will keep the wheat bread intact?
(03-05-2019, 10:53 AM)In His Love Wrote: [ -> ]"That priest does have a point with that quote. It is why hosts are dissolved in water, for example."

Fair enough. But it doesn't make sense to discuss yuca as matter. Why not, as Vox said, use a certain method of storage that will keep the wheat bread intact?

Plus, it's not like the Catholic Church is new to the area.  How has altar bread been preserved for the last few centuries?
If you don’t use wheaten bread you break the continuity for 2 millenia from the last supper.

It is therefore an invalid Eucharist.

Is nothing sacred these days?
(03-06-2019, 02:49 PM)MyLady Wrote: [ -> ]Is nothing sacred these days?

Obviously, not to Francis and his lickspittle toadies!
Yuck-a.
(03-06-2019, 03:04 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-06-2019, 02:49 PM)MyLady Wrote: [ -> ]Is nothing sacred these days?

Obviously, not to Francis and his lickspittle toadies!


Absolutely love “lickspittle”  Big Grin
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