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i need to study, by myself, the TRUE teachings on infant damnation/limbo, BOB, BOD, OSAS etc,
when i was younger i "hanged out" with sedes so im very confused, I have the denzinger at home but they claimed its fallible and that Trent isnt.

Id like a list of material,letters from Popes, councils etc, so i can properly study the catholic faith. It will take a while but,well, i have time.for example the dimonds and ibranyi are "crazy" but their books are intimidatingly well-researched!
You'd be better off to skip reading encyclicals and council documents, and go to catechisms instead. Go to this site's library and read the Baltimore catechisms, starting with the first and working your way through to number 4:  http://www.fisheaters.com/catholiclibrary.html
There is a huge amount of resources on the topic, with plentiful citations of magisterial documents, the Fathers, and papal statements here : http://www.baptismofdesire.com/

It also includes responses to common objections about the topic.

That said, Vox is spot on. You start learning the Faith and the Truth from the basic sources like the traditional Catechisms such as the Baltimore series. Then, and only then, do you branch out to study these things in greater depth from more primary sources. This is just like you learn Physics. You start with a basic science class and textbook, then you specialize in basic Physics and work through to basic University level. You don't go looking after Einstein's papers to critique them or try, without having any formation, to decide the truth of these as compared with competing claims.

So, I'd agree. While I provide that resource for you, learn this from My Catholic Faith, or This is the Faith, or The Catechism Explained, or the Baltimore Catechism. Don't try to just study theological-level stuff if you don't know the Catechism first.
I think you should start with the Baltimore Catechism

 https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism
(08-14-2020, 05:01 AM)benedicite Wrote: [ -> ]I think you should start with the Baltimore Catechism

 https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism

I've got all of the Baltimore catechisms and other catechisms here: http://www.fisheaters.com/catholiclibrary.html
Is there any reason why everyone is suggesting the Baltimore Catechism over the Council of Trent?  Is the Baltimore more user friendly or something?  I've never had anything other than the atrocious CCC that I gave away ages ago.
(08-14-2020, 02:54 PM)SimplyCatholic333 Wrote: [ -> ]Is there any reason why everyone is suggesting the Baltimore Catechism over the Council of Trent?  Is the Baltimore more user friendly or something?  I've never had anything other than the atrocious CCC that I gave away ages ago.

The Roman Catechism (or Catechism of the Council of Trent) was intended as a manual for priest on what to preach about to their faithful. While valuable for the laity, it is intended for a poorly educated clergy to help teach the faithful, so is much more theological.

The Baltimore Catechism was a series of three books (all covering the exact same material in different degrees of details) assembled at the order of the Councils of Baltimore which are intended to instruct the youth and beginners in the basics of the Faith, without going into unnecessary details (at least unnecessary as regards first learning of the Faith).

The Roman Catechism is meant for when you already know the Faith fairly well. The Baltimore, when you are learning it.
(08-14-2020, 08:53 AM)VoxClamantis Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-14-2020, 05:01 AM)benedicite Wrote: [ -> ]I think you should start with the Baltimore Catechism

 https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism

I've got all of the Baltimore catechisms and other catechisms here: http://www.fisheaters.com/catholiclibrary.html


Vox, I notice that you have An Abstract of the Douai Catechism by Father Henry Turberville, 1649. It's a pdf. Pdfs are not very 'user friendly'. You might want to replace that link with The Douai Catechism, 1649, which is just a webpage with each section linked to take you directly to it. Pretty handy!

But thanks for pointing that page out. Every day at 14.00, I've been posting a section of a basic catechism on my blog. I've finished the Catechism of St Pius X, the Penny Catechism, and all four of the Baltimore Catechisms. I'm currently sharing the Douay Catechism from 1649. I'm almost done with it. Now I know where to find others!
I'll work on a cleaner pdf of the Douai, J. The one that's there is very hard to read...