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(03-01-2021, 07:20 PM)Basil3HCm Wrote: [ -> ]If the Church says we can take the vaccine, then we can take the vaccine.

I am uncertain if the 'Church' is infallibly correct concerning vaccines, but I think it is not.
(03-01-2021, 07:24 PM)Zedta Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-01-2021, 07:20 PM)Basil3HCm Wrote: [ -> ]If the Church says we can take the vaccine, then we can take the vaccine.

I am uncertain if the 'Church' is infallibly correct concerning vaccines, but I think it is not.
They would be infallible if they define whether it is moral or not. Let me find the Vatican I reference. (Thanks to one of those guests BB something for messaging me. It wouldn't send back so I'll mention you here)
(03-01-2021, 07:24 PM)Zedta Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-01-2021, 07:20 PM)Basil3HCm Wrote: [ -> ]If the Church says we can take the vaccine, then we can take the vaccine.

I am uncertain if the 'Church' is infallibly correct concerning vaccines, but I think it is not.
the Roman Pontiff (the Pope alone or with the College of Bishops)
speaks ex cathedra, that is, when, (in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority,) he defines a doctrine
concerning faith or morals
to be held by the whole Church.[13]

Well, when he defines a doctrine. Now that this vaccine is a acceptable is not a matter of public Revelation. So it might not fall under that charism
(03-01-2021, 07:20 PM)Basil3HCm Wrote: [ -> ]If the Church says we can take the vaccine, then we can take the vaccine.

What does this statement mean to you?

Who is the "Church" in your statement? Is it the USCCB? Is it Pope Francis? And in what context is this person speaking?

Do you think casual remarks to the press represent doctrinal development? Do HR mandates forced on unwitting Vatican employees represent doctrinal development?

"If the Church says the Mass should be in English, then it should be in English."

"If the Church says we should receive in the hand, then we should receive in the hand."

"If the Church says girls can serve at the altar, then girls can serve at the altar."
(03-01-2021, 08:55 PM)ChairmanJoeAintMyPresident Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-01-2021, 07:20 PM)Basil3HCm Wrote: [ -> ]If the Church says we can take the vaccine, then we can take the vaccine.

What does this statement mean to you?

Who is the "Church" in your statement?  Is it the USCCB?  Is it Pope Francis?  And in what context is this person speaking?

Do you think casual remarks to the press represent doctrinal development?  Do HR mandates forced on unwitting Vatican employees represent doctrinal development?

"If the Church says the Mass should be in English, then it should be in English."

"If the Church says we should receive in the hand, then we should receive in the hand."

"If the Church says girls can serve at the altar, then girls can serve at the altar."
Regarding the latter three, that is a liturgical matter for the Roman rite. I know little about that, since I am a Greek. Even though I live in America all my life, I still don't know enough to perfectly comment regarding that. I will not address that then.

 I mean the Congregation of the Propegation of the Faith. They released a statement on it, I think. I can give you the link.
Well, this article is a bit shocking and the implications have certainly flown in 'under the radar', as it were. Could the mRNA vaccines, end up causing increases in Cancer, by turning our bodies against us? Initial indications are not so rosy and I hope they're wrong, but some of these 'novel' vaccines may just backfire...big time:

Article Wrote:naturalnews.com

MEDICAL SHOCKER: Scientists at Sloan Kettering discover mRNA inactivates tumor-suppressing proteins, meaning it can promote cancer
S.D. Wells


[Image: cancer-girl.jpg]


(Natural News) There’s a secret layer of information in your cells called messenger RNA, that’s located between DNA and proteins, that serves as a critical link. Now, in a medical shocker to the whole world of vaccine philosophy, scientists at Sloan Kettering found that mRNA itself carries cancer CAUSING changes – changes that genetic tests don’t even analyze, flying completely under the radar of oncologists across the globe.

So now, it’s time for independent laboratories that are not vaccine manufacturers (or hired by them) to run diagnostic testing on the Covid vaccine series and find out if these are cancer-driving inoculations that, once the series is complete, will cause cancer tumors in the vaccinated masses who have all rushed out to get the jab out of fear and propaganda influence. Welcome to the world of experimental and dirty vaccines known as mRNA “technology.”

Previously unknown cancer driving messengers are hiding in RNA, not DNA

This mind-blowing discovery should be published on every medical news site, newspaper, television news broadcast and on the CDC website, but unless you are reading this article and use DuckDuckGo as your search engine, you probably wouldn’t ever see it. That’s because Google is in on the fix, with Big Pharma and the VIC – the vaccine industrial complex. So here’s a more in-depth explanation of what we’re looking at, for real, regarding mRNA and vaccines.

The information carrying molecule, messenger RNA, can instruct human cells ultimately in the same way as cancer drivers, playing a major role in causing cancer to thrive while inactivating natural tumor-suppressing proteins the human body creates to save you from cancer. This is the complete opposite of what the CDC and the vaccine manufactures are telling everyone right now about the Covid vaccines, and this is based on clinical research by molecular biologists at the Sloan Kettering Institute.

Even sequencing the DNA in cancer cells doesn’t reveal these changes, that’s how sneaky the vaccines are. It’s like a Trojan horse that tells your cells to allow these changes to be made, as if they were safe, but they’re not. All assumptions being made about mRNA being ‘safe’ right now have been completely turned 180 degrees with this research. Consider this very carefully if you have not yet been vaccinated with mRNA technology, and you may want to ‘lawyer-up’ if you already got the jabs.

After your Covid vaccination, RNA is transported out of your cell’s nucleus, and will no longer function properly as a cancer tumor suppressor

Bill Gates and the Vaccine Industrial Complex are very sinister, as we all know, but to create vaccines that truncate (disable by cutting short) cancer tumor suppressors, and destroy the human body’s ability to protect against cancer, well, that’s just complete insanity. Truncated tumor-suppressor proteins are similar to the DNA mutations that cause cancer cells to mutate and multiply uncontrollably. Will America see cancer cases skyrocket over the next few years due to Covid vaccines? Only time will tell, but right now, science is revealing that it’s likely. Pay close attention.

Therefore, anyone who is scared to death of the Covid vaccines is pro-science rather than anti-science, because the science shows the mRNA technology is very dangerous, especially concerning proteins that fuel cancer tumors. Let’s say that again: Science shows mRNA technology can fuel cancer tumor growth.

Substantial amount of people with blood cancer have the SAME inactivation of tumor-suppressor genes at the mRNA level

Scientists also discovered that a substantial amount of people with blood cancer, a.k.a. chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL), have the same exact inactivation of tumor-suppressor genes at the mRNA level. In fact, the mRNA changes they detected could possibly account for the missing DNA mutations, and that spells out bad news for everyone who thinks the Covid vaccine series is “safe and effective.” It’s effective alright, at suppressing anti-cancer proteins, one might conclude.

Even if just half (partial truncation) mRNA changes in human cells take place, it’s enough to “completely override the function of the normal versions that are present,” according to the Sloan Kettering team of scientists. These changes can also apply to 100 different genes at the same time, so the changes can add up quickly and cause horrific health repercussions. Of course, mainstream media will dismiss any connections made by these discoveries, but they’re paid to regurgitate pharma talk, so that’s not surprising at all.

It is important to note that mRNA changes, according to researchers, are not limited to blood cancer, but have been linked to acute lymphatic cancer and breast cancer. Could this mean we’re looking at a new population control mechanism hidden in messenger RNA?

About 20,000 people in the US develop “CLL” chronic lympthocytic leukemia each year. How many will quietly begin developing it now, and then have it suddenly “show up” five years from now? Symptoms include fatigue, enlarged lymph nodes, and night sweats. Did you get mRNA vaccinated and experience those symptoms already? Are those symptoms on the warning label – the vaccine insert? Did you read them?

There’s only one “treatment” offered right now for CLL by the Pharma Industrial Complex, and that’s stem cell bone marrow transplantation. Oh, but it’s only recommended if your CLL is “likely” to advance. Do your mRNA vaccines now qualify you as “likely” to advance with CLL?

Tune your internet dial to Vaccines.news for updates on human challenge trials for people interested in suppressing genes that fight cancer. No wonder Mark Zuckerberg is scared to death about the Covid vaccine.

Sources for this article include:
mskcc.org
vaccines.news
mskcc.org
(03-04-2021, 01:30 PM)Zedta Wrote: [ -> ]Well, this article is a bit shocking and the implications have certainly flown in 'under the radar', as it were. Could the mRNA vaccines, end up causing increases in Cancer, by turning our bodies against us? Initial indications are not so rosy and I hope they're wrong, but some of these 'novel' vaccines may just backfire...big time:

Article Wrote:naturalnews.com

MEDICAL SHOCKER: Scientists at Sloan Kettering discover mRNA inactivates tumor-suppressing proteins, meaning it can promote cancer
S.D. Wells


 


(Natural News) There’s a secret layer of information in your cells called messenger RNA, that’s located between DNA and proteins, that serves as a critical link. Now, in a medical shocker to the whole world of vaccine philosophy, scientists at Sloan Kettering found that mRNA itself carries cancer CAUSING changes – changes that genetic tests don’t even analyze, flying completely under the radar of oncologists across the globe.

So now, it’s time for independent laboratories that are not vaccine manufacturers (or hired by them) to run diagnostic testing on the Covid vaccine series and find out if these are cancer-driving inoculations that, once the series is complete, will cause cancer tumors in the vaccinated masses who have all rushed out to get the jab out of fear and propaganda influence. Welcome to the world of experimental and dirty vaccines known as mRNA “technology.”

Previously unknown cancer driving messengers are hiding in RNA, not DNA

This mind-blowing discovery should be published on every medical news site, newspaper, television news broadcast and on the CDC website, but unless you are reading this article and use DuckDuckGo as your search engine, you probably wouldn’t ever see it. That’s because Google is in on the fix, with Big Pharma and the VIC – the vaccine industrial complex. So here’s a more in-depth explanation of what we’re looking at, for real, regarding mRNA and vaccines.

The information carrying molecule, messenger RNA, can instruct human cells ultimately in the same way as cancer drivers, playing a major role in causing cancer to thrive while inactivating natural tumor-suppressing proteins the human body creates to save you from cancer. This is the complete opposite of what the CDC and the vaccine manufactures are telling everyone right now about the Covid vaccines, and this is based on clinical research by molecular biologists at the Sloan Kettering Institute.

Even sequencing the DNA in cancer cells doesn’t reveal these changes, that’s how sneaky the vaccines are. It’s like a Trojan horse that tells your cells to allow these changes to be made, as if they were safe, but they’re not. All assumptions being made about mRNA being ‘safe’ right now have been completely turned 180 degrees with this research. Consider this very carefully if you have not yet been vaccinated with mRNA technology, and you may want to ‘lawyer-up’ if you already got the jabs.

After your Covid vaccination, RNA is transported out of your cell’s nucleus, and will no longer function properly as a cancer tumor suppressor

Bill Gates and the Vaccine Industrial Complex are very sinister, as we all know, but to create vaccines that truncate (disable by cutting short) cancer tumor suppressors, and destroy the human body’s ability to protect against cancer, well, that’s just complete insanity. Truncated tumor-suppressor proteins are similar to the DNA mutations that cause cancer cells to mutate and multiply uncontrollably. Will America see cancer cases skyrocket over the next few years due to Covid vaccines? Only time will tell, but right now, science is revealing that it’s likely. Pay close attention.

Therefore, anyone who is scared to death of the Covid vaccines is pro-science rather than anti-science, because the science shows the mRNA technology is very dangerous, especially concerning proteins that fuel cancer tumors. Let’s say that again: Science shows mRNA technology can fuel cancer tumor growth.

Substantial amount of people with blood cancer have the SAME inactivation of tumor-suppressor genes at the mRNA level

Scientists also discovered that a substantial amount of people with blood cancer, a.k.a. chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL), have the same exact inactivation of tumor-suppressor genes at the mRNA level. In fact, the mRNA changes they detected could possibly account for the missing DNA mutations, and that spells out bad news for everyone who thinks the Covid vaccine series is “safe and effective.” It’s effective alright, at suppressing anti-cancer proteins, one might conclude.

Even if just half (partial truncation) mRNA changes in human cells take place, it’s enough to “completely override the function of the normal versions that are present,” according to the Sloan Kettering team of scientists. These changes can also apply to 100 different genes at the same time, so the changes can add up quickly and cause horrific health repercussions. Of course, mainstream media will dismiss any connections made by these discoveries, but they’re paid to regurgitate pharma talk, so that’s not surprising at all.

It is important to note that mRNA changes, according to researchers, are not limited to blood cancer, but have been linked to acute lymphatic cancer and breast cancer. Could this mean we’re looking at a new population control mechanism hidden in messenger RNA?

About 20,000 people in the US develop “CLL” chronic lympthocytic leukemia each year. How many will quietly begin developing it now, and then have it suddenly “show up” five years from now? Symptoms include fatigue, enlarged lymph nodes, and night sweats. Did you get mRNA vaccinated and experience those symptoms already? Are those symptoms on the warning label – the vaccine insert? Did you read them?

There’s only one “treatment” offered right now for CLL by the Pharma Industrial Complex, and that’s stem cell bone marrow transplantation. Oh, but it’s only recommended if your CLL is “likely” to advance. Do your mRNA vaccines now qualify you as “likely” to advance with CLL?

Tune your internet dial to Vaccines.news for updates on human challenge trials for people interested in suppressing genes that fight cancer. No wonder Mark Zuckerberg is scared to death about the Covid vaccine.

Sources for this article include:
mskcc.org
vaccines.news
mskcc.org

This doesn't really surprise me one bit.  I remember Mrs.J.M. and I talking about it when the vaccines were still in development and one or the other of us saying that there might be hell to pay down the line with these vaccines--a whirlwind in the making.  I understand the desire for the vaccines and the fear/hysteria driving it; I understand that most people think vaccines are just wonderful, and in some, maybe many cases that might be true.  But they don't come without a price--sometimes a huge price.

But hey...it's all good...it'll help keep the Let's Find A Cure For Cancer industry going for a long, long time.  (How's that for cynicism?)

(I deleted the picture to save a little space and, well mainly because it creeped me out :-).  )
(02-12-2021, 12:00 AM)jack89 Wrote: [ -> ]Very cool that you can get a telemedicine consult through them and get Hydroxychloroquine or Iver-mectin, even if you're not sick.  It might not be a bad idea to have the meds on hand.
Also Dr. Zelenko does the telemedicine consultations.   He is the NY area doctor whose patient records were published.  Those receiving low dose hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and antibiotic were 84% less likely to be hospitalized than untreated patients of another doctor in his community. 
https://www.vladimirzelenkomd.com/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...7920304258

Dr Z. is a devout Jew with stage 4 cancer.  In one interview he said that when you expect to see God soon you stop fearing men.  He went ahead and treated patients even when NY state officials were giving him a hard time.   
https://youtu.be/MhLD1P5nH30?t=439

The last few pages of this transcript of Dr. Z's interview with Dr Joe Mercola reads more like a document from church officials than something from a medical doctor.  He talks about the importance of faith and ethical medicine. 

https://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/Expert...tocols.pdf

If you choose hydroxychloroquine, the evidence suggests you have to start it within a few days of symptom onset.  It is an antiviral like Xofluza is for the flu.  You've probably heard their TV ads.   HCQ slows down replication of the virus.   I think peak viral load is thought to be around day 5 or so according to one of the FLCCC med school professors. 

Ivermectin (IVM) seems to be more potent than HCQ and less time-sensitive.   The meta analysis of IVM studies is amazing.
https://ivmmeta.com/

The FLCCC group of emergency med doctors and med school profs have been highly recommending Ivermectin for many weeks.  They finally got the [corrupt] US NIH to upgrade the drug to neutral.  Now many more local doctors will feel free to prescribe the drug.  However some may not prescribe it unless the patient requests.   

The FLCCC provides tips for requesting Ivermectin from a local doctor. 
https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-p...ur-doctor/

For example actor Louis Gossett left the hospital when he had Covid19.  After learning about the FLCCC he went on Ivermectin at home and recovered.  This is a short video about his experience 

In addition to Ivermectin and its amazing study results there are amazing study results on vitamin D, even for hospitalized patients.   A special form of D, calcifediol, caused a more than 80% reduction in the need for the ICU in a couple studies in Spain.     https://www.grassrootshealth.net/blog/re...ne-health/

The natural human hormone, melatonin, an OTC sleep aid was studied in hundreds of ICU patients at Columbia U.  The results were insanely positive.  

"melatonin exposure after intubation was significantly associated with survival in intubated
COVID-19 patients (HR: 9.17E-02, 95% CI: 5.43E-03 - 0.155, p-value = 4.81E-19) and
mechanically ventilated COVID-19 patients (HR: 9.13E-02, 95% CI: 4.40E-02 - 0.189, p-value =
1.32E-10)."  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...20213546v1
( apparently there were so many zeros in the p value that they had to switch to exponential notation! )

You hear about the experimental vaccines ad nauseam and hear almost nothing about Ivermectin, vitamin D, melatonin and other interventions that have a long track record of safety.   Those three are among the FLCCC list of recommended interventions for C19 outpatients.  https://covid19criticalcare.com/

I hope the vaccines turn out to be as safe and as beneficial as the vax salesmen claim.  However there are certainly reasons to wonder if we will ever know the truth.   There are many severe adverse reactions reported to the US vaccine adverse event database (VAERS) but it is very difficult to know if the health event was due partially or largely from the vaccine or if it was a total coincidence.  So the vax salesmen can pretend that all is going well.    
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defen...-cdc-vaers  (from the org run by R. Kennedy Jr, nephew of the president)

When doing the risk-benefit analysis  how many healthy young and middle-aged people really need  an experimental new vaccine when they have so little risk of a bad outcome plus such good treatments--Ivermectin plus vitamin D, melatonin, etc?
Well, the reports are starting to come in and they don't look so good for the mRNA types. At least as compared with common flu vaccines of the past.

Interesting article this:


Article Wrote:theepochtimes.com

Adverse Incident Reports Show 966 Deaths Following Vaccination for COVID-19
By Celia Farber


According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19.

Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19.

The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days.

A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days.

85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59.

For detailed information drawn from the VAERS reports, see charts provided at the link at the end of this article.

[Image: summary2-1200x760.jpg]
Information drawn from VAERS reports on mRNA vaccinations for COVID-19. (source: CDC)


Comparison With Influenza Vaccines

Neither of the mRNA vaccines  are FDA approved, rather, they have Emergency Use Approval (EUA). They represent a departure from traditional vaccines in that they do not use any part of the suspected pathogen to stimulate the immune system, but rather, nucleoside messenger RNA.

Dr. Christian Perrone, head of Infectious Disease at Hopital de Garches in France, stated in a complaint filed in Europe:
“The first vaccines they are offering us are not vaccines. They are gene therapy products. They…inject nucleic acids that will cause our own cells to produce elements of the virus.”
The death rate following COVID mRNA vaccination is much higher than that following influenza vaccination.

The CDC’s data allows only a ballpark estimation of the rate of deaths following flu vaccination.

In the 2019-2020 influenza season the CDC reports that 51.8 percent of the U.S. population received a vaccine, which is approximately 170 million people.

VAERS reports that in the calendar year 2019 (not the 2019-2020 influenza season) there were 45 deaths following vaccination. To provide context, in 2018 VAERS reports 46 deaths, and in 2017 it reports 20 deaths.

The 45 deaths in 2019 are occurring at a rate of 0.0000265 percent, when calculated using the number of vaccines given in the 2019-2020 influenza season.

As of Feb. 19, 41,977,401 COVID vaccinations had been given with 966 deaths reported following vaccination, which is approximately a rate of .0023 percent.


The VAERS System

VAERS was put in place in 1990, to capture unforeseen reactions from vaccines.

VAERS is criticized both for the fact that anybody can submit a report, and for the fact that it catches only a fraction of the adverse incidents.

The VAERS website describes the system in this way:
“Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.

“VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.”

Without a medical diagnosis or autopsy, the report of an adverse incident following a vaccination is not proof that the vaccination caused any particular symptoms.

In a reply to The Epoch Times, about the VAERS death report, Steven Danehy, Director of Global Media Relations for Pfizer, wrote:
“To date, millions of people have been vaccinated with our vaccine. Serious adverse events, including deaths that are unrelated to the vaccine, are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”

Moderna has not responded to requests for comment.

The VAERS database is dense with information and can be difficult for some users to follow. The Epoch Times has extracted its data as clearly as possible in charts provided in the link below.

At the link below are charts containing: on the tab “All Deaths Readable” descriptions of what happened to the patients—effects they experienced as reported by health care workers and/or relatives, or other witnesses; VAERS ID numbers (used to look up a complete file on the VAERS database); vaccination type; manufacturer; vaccination name; date received; age, gender and state of each recipient; as well as medical history; and other medications patients were taking.
Summary_of_VAERS_deaths_through_Feb_19th
Here is an interview with someone who believes generally in vaccines but who believes that this program of widespread or mass vaccination will be harmful.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inter...-vaccines/

See also

https://focusmalaysia.my/opinion/experts...ccination/
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