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Who to believe - Beware_the_Ides - 01-23-2008

How does one trust any doctor/scientist when you see so much blatant contradiction.  I can't do anything but just shake my head when these atheists, evolutionists, humanists,, insist that there is a scientific explanation for everything.
What brings this up are two articles I came across today regarding fluoride.

The first from MSN:
Quote: <DIV class=PageHeadline>Fluoride and WaterFrom KidsHealth.orgKidsHealth
Keeping your child's teeth healthy requires more than just daily brushing. During a routine well-child exam, you may be surprised to find the doctor examining your child's teeth and asking you about your water supply. That's because fluoride, a substance that's found naturally in water, plays an important role in healthy tooth development and cavity prevention.
<B>What Is Fluoride?</B> Fluoride exists naturally in water sources and is derived from fluorine, the thirteenth most common element in the Earth's crust. It is well known that fluoride helps prevent and even reverse the early stages of tooth decay.
Tooth decay occurs when bacteria - found in the plaque that dentists try so hard to get rid of - break down sugars in food. This process produces damaging acids that dissolve the hard enamel surfaces of teeth. If the damage is not stopped or treated, the bacteria can penetrate through the enamel to the underlying tissues of the teeth, causing cavities (also called caries). Cavities weaken teeth and cause pain, tooth loss, or even widespread infection in the most severe cases.
Fluoride combats tooth decay in two ways. It strengthens tooth enamel, a hard and shiny substance that protects the teeth, so that it can better resist the acid formed by plaque. Fluoride also allows teeth damaged by acid to repair, or remineralize, themselves. Fluoride cannot repair cavities, but it can reverse low levels of tooth decay and thus prevent new cavities from forming.
Though fluoride benefits adults, it is especially critical to the health of developing teeth in children. And despite all the good news about dental health, tooth decay remains one of the most common diseases of childhood. According to 2000 statistics from the U.S. Surgeon General, more than half of children ages 5 to 9 years have had at least one cavity or filling, and tooth decay has affected 78% of 17-year-olds.
<B>Fluoride and the Water Supply</B>
As of 2002, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) statistics show that almost 66% of the U.S. population receives fluoridated water through the taps in their homes. Some communities have naturally occurring fluoride in their water; others add it at water-processing plants.
Some parents purchase bottled water for their children to drink instead of tap water. The growing bottled water industry claims that bottled water is safer, purer, mineral-free, and better tasting, and that may be true in some cases. But most bottled waters also lack fluoride. Fluoridated bottled water is one exception - it can sometimes be found in the baby-food aisle at the grocery store, usually labeled as baby water or nursery water.
Your child's doctor or dentist may know whether local water supplies contain adequate levels of fluoride (between 0.7 and 1.2 parts fluoride per million parts of water). If your water comes from a public system, you could also call your local water authority or public health department, or check online at the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) database of local water safety reports. If you use well water or water from a private source, fluoride levels should be checked by a laboratory or public health department.

<B>The Controversy Over Fluoride</B>
You may have heard that the addition of fluoride to the water supply is dangerous and damaging. Some advocacy groups publish reports on the hazards of fluoridation, and they point to toxicity warnings on toothpaste, concluding that any substance needing such careful dosage must be dangerous.
In response to claims that water fluoridation is dangerous, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) reviewed research on dental cavities prevention and public policy, including fluoridation. It agreed with antifluoride activists that many studies in this area are of poor quality. However, the NIH panel concluded that the unevenness of research does not invalidate the clear benefits of fluoride. The NIH believes that the dramatic reductions in tooth decay in the past 30 years are due to fluoridation of the water supply, and parents and health professionals should continue to ensure that kids receive enough fluoride to prevent cavities.
<B>Your Child's Fluoride Needs</B>
So how much fluoride does your child need? In general, children under the age of 6 months do not need fluoride. Your child's 6-month checkup offers a great chance to discuss fluoride needs with a health professional.
If you live in a nonfluoridated area, your child's doctor or dentist may prescribe fluoride drops, tablets, or vitamins after your baby is 6 months old. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that these fluoride supplements be given daily to children between the ages of 6 months and 16 years. The dosage will change as your child grows. Only children living in nonfluoridated areas or children who drink only nonfluoridated bottled water should receive supplements.
What about toothpastes, mouth rinses, and other products that contain fluoride? Here are a few tips for parents:
<LI class=textList>Because children younger than 3 can't spit effectively, they may swallow too much toothpaste while brushing, and should be helped with their twice-daily brushings. <LI class=textList>Ask your child's dentist about the type of toothpaste your child under 3 should use. Many dental professionals recommend using toothpastes specially formulated for infants and toddlers. <LI class=textList>Children over age 3 should use a fluoride-containing toothpaste that carries the American Dental Association's (ADA) seal of acceptance. <LI class=textList>Kids should use only a pea-sized amount of toothpaste and spit out as much as possible after brushing. Even a small amount of toothpaste supplies enough fluoride for tooth protection but minimizes the chances of side effects from too much fluoride. <LI class=textList>Only mouth rinses clearly labeled "anticavity with fluoride" contain fluoride. They are regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are approved by the ADA. Children under age 6 should never use these rinses, as their spitting abilities haven't fully developed by that age. However, older children at high risk for tooth decay may benefit from fluoride-containing rinses. Your child's dentist can talk with you about risk factors such as a family history of dental disease, recent periodontal surgery or disease, or a physical impediment to brushing regularly and thoroughly. Children over age 3 are at lowest risk for cavities if they regularly get fluoride from drinking naturally fluoridated or supplemented water, in addition to routinely brushing with fluoridated toothpaste. Consult your child's dentist before using any fluoridated mouth rinses or other products besides toothpaste.
Your family dentist or pediatric dentist (one who specializes in the care of children's teeth) is a great resource for information about your child's dental care and fluoride needs. A dentist can help you understand more about how fluoride affects the teeth, and once all of your child's primary teeth have come in, may further strengthen them by applying regular topical fluoride during visits.

<B>Overexposure to Fluoride</B>
If some fluoride is good, why not give children as much fluoride as possible? As with most minerals and vitamins, overexposure can be harmful. Most children get the right amount of fluoride through a combination of fluoridated toothpaste and fluoridated water or supplements.
Too much fluoride before 8 years of age can cause enamel fluorosis, a discoloration or mottling of the permanent teeth. This condition is unsightly but harmless and often can be treated with cosmetic procedures.
Most cases of fluorosis occur in children who take unnecessary daily fluoride supplements even though they brush regularly with fluoridated toothpaste and their home's tap water contains good levels of fluoride. Misuse of fluoride products, including rinses and toothpaste, also can contribute to fluorosis, but this is less common.
Very rarely, <B>fluoride toxicity</B> can occur when large amounts of fluoride are ingested during a short period of time. Children under age 6 account for more than 80% of reports of suspected overingestion. Although outcomes are generally not serious, fluoride toxicity sends several hundred children to emergency rooms each year.
Symptoms of fluoride toxicity may include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal pain, increased salivation, or increased thirst. Symptoms begin 30 minutes after ingestion and can last up to 24 hours. If you suspect your child may have eaten a substantial amount of a fluoridated product or supplement, call the poison control center or 911.
Be sure to keep toothpaste, supplements, mouth rinses, and other fluoride-containing products out of children's reach or in a locked cabinet. You should also supervise your young child's toothbrushing sessions to prevent swallowing of toothpaste or other fluoridated products.
If you have any questions about your water's fluoride content, the fluoridated products your child uses, or whether your child is receiving too much or too little fluoride, talk to your child's doctor or dentist.
Reviewed by: Lisa Goss, RDH, BS,and Garrett B. Lyons Sr., DDS

Date reviewed: September 2005

Originally reviewed by: Lisa Goss, RDH, BS
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[Image: 1.22fluoride.jpg]Editors for Scientific American believe recent studies suggest that fluoride raises the risks of disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland, and in general “scientific attitudes” about fluoridation may be shifting.

"Fluoride, the most consumed drug in the USA, is deliberately added to 2/3 of public water supplies theoretically to reduce tooth decay, but with no scientifically-valid evidence proving safety or effectiveness," says lawyer Paul Beeber, president of the New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation.

Meanwhile, according to environmental reporter and director of New York University's Science, Health and Environmental Reporting Program Dan Fagin, "There is no universally accepted optimal level for daily intake of fluoride."

After analyzing hundreds of fluoride studies, researchers found that fluoride:
  • Alters endocrine function, especially in the thyroid <LI>Causes dental fluorosis in young children <LI>May lower IQ <LI>May increase the risk of bone fractures
Because scientific evidence suggests that water fluoridation is ineffective and dangerous to health, over 1,200 professional are now urging Congress to stop water fluoridation. <DIV id=ctl00_ctl00_ctl00_bcr_bcr_bcr_divSources style="PADDING-LEFT: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: left"><DIV class=VPNSKRACHI>Sources:<UL class=Sourcesbullet>[*]<A class=SourcesLnkAdmin style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" href="" target=_blank target=_blank>Reuters January 2, 2008</A></UL></DIV>
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But FINALLY the tides do seem to be turning.

In 2005, eleven unions within the EPA publicly called for a ban of water fluoridation, over concerns that it may cause bone cancer. And in 2006, the American Dental Association warned parents of infants not to use fluoridated water when mixing baby formula.

When you begin to examine the evidence surrounding water fluoridation, this gradual retraction makes perfect sense.

As award-winning journalist Christopher Bryson revealed in his book The Fluoride Deception, there has been a multi-tiered effort -- or as Bryson says, an abuse of power -- by military and industry scientists and public health officials to shamelessly promote fluoride to the dentistry field and the American public with little regard to the implications it would have on human health.

Just what are those potential implications?
  • An increased risk of bone cancer
    <LI>Fluorosis, a discoloring of your teeth and breakdown of their enamel (between 30 percent and 50 percent of children have dental fluorosis on at least two teeth in “optimally fluoridated communities”) <LI>An increased risk of osteoporosis <LI>Developmental problems such as lower IQ
But that’s not all. According to Paul Connett, PhD:

<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px">1. Fluoride accumulates in your bones and makes them more brittle and prone to fracture. Lifetime exposure to fluoride will contribute to higher rates of hip fracture in the elderly.

2. Fluoride accumulates in your pineal gland, possibly lowering the production of melatonin, a very important regulatory hormone

3. There are serious concerns about a connection between fluoridation and the current epidemics of both arthritis and hypothyroidism.

4. In animal studies fluoride at 1 ppm in drinking water increases the uptake of aluminum into your brain.

5. Counties with 3 ppm or more of fluoride in their water have lower fertility rates.

6. The fluoridating agents most commonly used in the United States not only increase the uptake of lead into children's blood but are also associated with an increase in violent behavior.

Of course, the main reason why fluoride is reportedly added to the U.S. water supply in the first place is to prevent cavities. Yet, data compiled by the World Health Organization shows no difference in tooth decay in countries that use fluoridated water compared with countries that don’t use fluoridated water. So not only is fluoride unsafe, it is ineffective as well.

Get That Fluoride Out of Your Water!

If you are receiving your water from a municipal water supply in the United States, your water is probably fluoridated -- and a simple carbon filter will not remove it.

You must filter your tap water with a reverse osmosis filter to remove fluoride, and remember to use this water not only for drinking but also for washing fruits and veggies, making ice cubes and cooking.

You can also join the fight against water fluoridation by supporting the Fluoride Action Network’s petition to end water fluoridation. It’s already been signed by over 1,200 professionals, including a Nobel Prize winner, three officers in the union representing professionals at EPA headquarters, the executive board of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine, leading fluoride researchers, and medical, dental, scientific and environmental professionals from around the world.

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Who to believe - Gabriel - 01-24-2008

Follow your own common sense and the stupidity of "experts" will become quite transparent.

I offer my wife Dawn as an example of good common sense on the fluoride issue. Here's a letter she wrote to the editor of the <i>San Diego Union Tribune </i>(the underlining is mine):
<font class="newstext"></font>
<font class="newstext">Fluoride delay comes as welcome news</font> <font class="newstext">Regarding “Fluoride plans delayed again” (Around Our Region, Oct. 19): </font>
<font class="newstext">Please keep delaying it – or better yet, don't fluoridate our water supply. Metropolitan Water District spokesman Bob Muir, according to the article, says “district employees plan to strengthen the galvanized steel in the filtration system to ensure it doesn't corrode if it comes in contact with fluorosilicic acid, the substance used for fluoridation.” With that in mind, what will it do to our bodies? If people want fluoridation, they can go buy it themselves. </font>
<font class="newstext">DAWN ESPEDAL
<i>Lakeside</i> </font>

Who to believe - Historian - 01-24-2008

Gabriel Wrote:Follow your own common sense and the stupidity of "experts" will become quite transparent.

I offer my wife Dawn as an example of good common sense on the fluoride issue. Here's a letter she wrote to the editor of the <I>San Diego Union Tribune </I>(the underlining is mine):
<FONT class=newstext></FONT>
<FONT class=newstext>Fluoride delay comes as welcome news</FONT><FONT class=newstext>Regarding “Fluoride plans delayed again” (Around Our Region, Oct. 19): </FONT>
<FONT class=newstext>Please keep delaying it – or better yet, don't fluoridate our water supply. Metropolitan Water District spokesman Bob Muir, according to the article, says “district employees plan to strengthen the galvanized steel in the filtration system to ensure it doesn't corrode if it comes in contact with fluorosilicic acid, the substance used for fluoridation.” With that in mind, what will it do to our bodies? If people want fluoridation, they can go buy it themselves. </FONT>
<FONT class=newstext>DAWN ESPEDAL
<I>Lakeside</I> </FONT>

This is what many uninformed people (myself included at one time) do not understand, there are many different forms of fluoride, some are very very deadly such as Sarin nerve gas and others a lot less so but still dangerous over time such sodium fluoride. The fluorosilicic acid is not one of the forms you want to be ingesting even though it's one of the more moderately poisonous forms.

Who to believe - Gabriel - 01-24-2008

Quote: The fluorosilicic acid is not one of the forms you want to be ingesting even though it's one of the more moderately poisonous forms.

Precisely, and the Metropolitan Water District spokesman says this is the, er, <i>stuff</i> they want to put in our water!

Who to believe - Historian - 01-24-2008

Here's why I think flouride in the water is crap.

Flouride, AFAIK, only works topically.  And when we put it in coffee, kool-aid, etc., it's right there with sweetners and other things that promote decay - if it doesn't break down (not sure what temperature flouride in solution breaks down at).

It makes sense in toothpaste, etc., where we spit it out and it has a chance to work on our teeth. In fact, I use a flouride rinse when I brush.  But it makes no sense for ingestion.

Put a filter on your tap water if you can.

Who to believe - Beware_the_Ides - 01-27-2008

Strange coincidence - ran into this article the day after I opened this thread.  Link to original here.

P.S.  Anybody ever hear of or read Dr. Kevin Vost?  A penny for your thoughts.

<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><I>By Michael H. Brown</I>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">They tell you to take a certain vitamin, then after further studies that the vitamin may actually be worthless, or even harmful. Eggs became a great nemesis. Do you remember this? Now they are listed as a health food. Drinking wine is good for you -- no it isn't, yes it is. And so forth.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">You get the picture. If you want to know what's good for you, ask the Holy Spirit. </FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Maintain balance. Be moderate. </FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">All that God made can be good if used in the right way in the right quantities and in the proper circumstances. </FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Especially, I have extolled the virtues of water: non-chlorinated, <SPAN style="BACKGROUND: yellow; mso-highlight: yellow">no-fluoride water from a reliable spring. Drink as much as you can every day and your body will get into a rhythm of expelling excess body fluids and cause you to lose weight (as well as eat less, because your stomach feels fuller). Drinking much water may be the best health and weight-loss move anyone can make.<I> Living waters</I>.<I> </I></SPAN></FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Try at least three large glasses of good water a day: in the morning, afternoon, and evening, perhaps with dinner, and weaning yourself from salt. The effect will be remarkable. Simple changes are often that way. Just pray for the "spirit of temperance." The key to health is harmony, a balance between the flesh and the spirit.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Cleanse your body with water. It might not even hurt to have a priest bless a gallon for the initial few days and drink what you can as you pray to the Holy Spirit: "Purge me, oh Lord. Purge me, oh Lord; purge me, in the Name of Jesus." Slim like Him.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Get the contaminants and excess salt out of your system. Some years ago, I myself lost thirty pounds in a hurry this way. Avoid foods or drinks that feel like sludge afterward (this can be particularly true, for adults, of products too rich in dairy). Cheese, tomato sauce, and even cereal can have surprising levels of sodium, which will cause your body to retain water (and gain weight, since water weighs eight pounds  a gallon). Saltiest of all: restaurant food. Check sodium levels.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">There are other important issues, and they are covered in a book called <I>Fit For Eternal Life, </I>especially exercise. How many knew -- as the book, by Dr. Kevin Vost, points out -- that John Paul II once said: "There is a need to find free time in order to exercise strength and dexterity, endurance, and harmonious movement, so as to attain or guarantee that physical efficiency to man's overall equilibrium"?</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">There are those words again: <I>balance and harmony.</I></FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">When the spirit and flesh are in harmony, there is vastly less disease.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">"Even a moderate amount of exercise can dramatically prolong a man's life, new research on middle-aged and elderly American veterans reveals," said a news item just yesterday (1/24). "The government-sponsored analysis -- the largest such study ever -- found that a regimen of brisk walking thirty minutes a day at least four to six days a week was enough to halve the risk of premature death from all causes."</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">We must constantly battle against the flesh, and this is good: it strengthens the spirit.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Look at the physique of Jesus and imitate that. Look at the physical work of St. Joseph. Look at how much the Blessed Mother walked.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Sickness breeds on sin and there is the sin of gluttony. As Dr. Vost documents in his book, to achieve excellence, we must first sweat.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">No matter what magical diets you hear about on TV, "unless we first tame the enemy within us," said St. Gregory, "namely, our gluttonous appetite, we have not even stood up to engage in the spiritual combat."</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">That's what the war with the flesh is: combat.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">With self-control comes a wonderful joy in the liberation of the spirit!</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Life is a school in which we are to develop attributes.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Don't be depressed by however much you weigh. </FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">The Spirit will lead you. Take it little step by step. </FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Just be persistent (which you will attain through prayer).</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">"I saw how these powers can affect us physically," wrote a woman who had a near-death brush and writes of it in another book. "Remembering that the spirit and the mind have tremendous influence on the flesh, I saw that we literally have power to affect our own health. I saw that the spirit in each of us is powerful, that it can give strength to the body to ward off illness, or, once the body is sick, to cause it to heal. The spirit has power to control the mind, and the mind controls the body. 'For as [a man] thinketh in his heart, so is he [says <I>Proverbs</I> 23:7]."</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">"We usually think of gluttony as the desire to eat too much food," writes Vost. "But as St. Thomas shows, gluttony may also involve eating too quickly and ravenously (wolfing down our food); insisting on only fine and fancy foods prepared in a gourmet fashion; eating too often, when there is no real need; or simply thinking excessively about food (making it an idol)."</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Here you have real wisdom -- and practical advice. There are no miracle diets. Please give up on them. It's hype for daytime shows. The only true solution is self control, which comes from your spirit.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Order smaller sizes for food and drinks. Use the "doggie bags" to bring things home; share a dessert (instead of eating a whole one); ask yourself whether you really need an appetizer. The authentic, lasting way to lose weight is to eat less (and find satisfaction on a level that is spiritual).</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Sometimes, when we overeat, we are trying to fill an inner vacancy. Fill that void with the Holy Spirit.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Vost lost weight -- went from 230 pounds to a 32 waist -- and ate chocolate in the process.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">His key? Limiting himself to a single piece daily, and chewing <I>slowly</I>.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Savor what God has given us.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">"St. Thomas told us that the virtue of temperance can lead to beauty," he notes.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">And exercise. Do what you can do but do it to the full extent that you can. Don't worship your body, no; don't idolize it; but strengthen it; energize it; refresh the spirit that dwells within (it responds to discipline); <I>rid yourself of sloth,</I> which is behind much weight gain; look for excitements other than food; and look to maintain the peace and sanctity of your home through direct calls to the Holy Spirit. Exercise is spirit over flesh in a way that is <I>direct</I>. So is fasting. To overeat or neglect exercise, said that woman who glimpsed the other side, can be a sin against the flesh.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">There you have it.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">We'll provide the book (which, as far as exercise, focuses mainly on weight-lifting), </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">here</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman"> or below.</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">Remember that self control leads to the highest levels of joy (for all the initial pain) and that the best dietician, weight-loss guru, and personal trainer is the One Who made your body.</FONT>
<I><FONT face="Times New Roman">[resources: </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080>Fit for Eternal Life</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">]</FONT></I>
<I><FONT face="Times New Roman">[</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">Catholic spiritual development retreat, Los Angeles</FONT>
<FONT face="Times New Roman">]</FONT></I>
<I><FONT face="Times New Roman">[see also: </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">Reducing your breast cancer risk</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">]</FONT></I>
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Who to believe - miss_fluffy - 01-28-2008

If they wanted to put anything in the water to help humankind.. why flouride?  I'm curious whose stupid idea it was?  It seems to me that if supplementing the water with anything, it should be calcium, as most of us have insufficient calcium intake.

Who to believe - Historian - 01-29-2008

In my area they were debating going from "toilet to tap"; so I don't even drink it. That obviates the fluoride issue nicely. I like Perrier, though-- hope there's nothing untoward
in <i>that</i>.

Who to believe - Historian - 01-29-2008

QuisUtDeus Wrote:Here's why I think flouride in the water is crap.

Flouride, AFAIK, only works topically.  And when we put it in coffee, kool-aid, etc., it's right there with sweetners and other things that promote decay - if it doesn't break down (not sure what temperature flouride in solution breaks down at).

It makes sense in toothpaste, etc., where we spit it out and it has a chance to work on our teeth. In fact, I use a flouride rinse when I brush.  But it makes no sense for ingestion.

Put a filter on your tap water if you can.
There was a new study that recently came from Japan which showed that fluorine atoms are not even healthy topically, the very element <FONT face="times new roman, times, serif">(fyi the atomic element fluorine is never found in nature alone but always combined with another element such as calcium or sodium)</FONT> causes cell suicide: How Fluoride Kills Humans Cells

Who to believe - Historian - 01-29-2008

miss_fluffy Wrote:If they wanted to put anything in the water to help humankind.. why fluoride?  I'm curious whose stupid idea it was?  It seems to me that if supplementing the water with anything, it should be calcium, as most of us have insufficient calcium intake.
I've read that the Germans under Hitler were the first to put it in water in their prisons. Also supplementing anything in the common water supply is not a wise idea since you can never control the dose that each person is getting, and not all calcium is the same and in the common form in supplements do nothing much but neutralize stomach acid. It'd be wiser to for go it all and put the money to use in digging wells and helping local organic family farms.