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To all forum members: Criticism of priests - Historian - 02-12-2009

I noticed this forum has a habit of upholding the teachings of the Church and expressing concern over priests and other religious when they stray from the Church's Tradition.

I've often felt very uncomfortable criticising a priest no matter what they do or say.

So I ask those on this forum to pray instead of accusing a priest of heresy and openly accusing priests of doing wrong in their office. We all can condemn liturgical abuses and heresies without criticising a priest specifically.




To all forum members: Criticism of priests - Belloc - 02-12-2009

Approved locution/apparition? Never heard of this fellow.....



To all forum members: Criticism of priests - Happyandgrateful - 02-12-2009

I understand that we should respect the dignity of the priesthood and criticizing priests can give scandal; however, in these times we live, some priests are apostate and endangering the laity with their ideas.  They should be openly challenged to protect the faith and souls of the faithful. The example you gave is also a private revelation. 

A couple of examples:
1)I know of an NO church goer whose priest told her that it was okay to vote for FOCA, and that it wouldn't lead to increased abortions. They had a mass at that parish thanking God for the election of Barack Obama.
2)When I attended the NO, a priest told me that my pet guinea pig would go to Heaven, and that he had a soul.
3) It seems that some priests are supporting gay marriages and "solemnizing" them in their "gay" parishes; some are openly "gay."
4) There are those who openly support female priests.
5) Some priests seem to believe that Catholicism is another Christian "denomination" and see no difference between the doctrine of the Catholic Church and other Protestant ones.

We could go on and on.  From a traditional perspective, one should see why any of the previously listed beliefs would be a serious problem, as they show a complete lack of any grasp of orthodox Catholic doctrine.



To all forum members: Criticism of priests - miss_fluffy - 02-12-2009

My first thought is this: What about a child-molesting priest?  Are we not to question him but instead just pray for him?

And if it is okay to question a child-molesting priest, what about a priest who commits adultery?  What about a priest who steals church funds?  Where do we draw the line?



To all forum members: Criticism of priests - SCG - 02-12-2009

<FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm...People are probably going to attack your <B>source</B>.. but, before that happens, let me add that the same warning against criticism of priests is repeated by many canonized saints. There's a popular story about St. Francis of Assisi who was called into town to admonish a parish priest who was living in sin with a woman. The whole village escorted him to the priest's doorstep, and when St. Francis approached him, everyone held their breath and thought: "Oh, he's going to get it now." To their shock, Francis knelt down and kissed the priest's hands (because they gave him Holy Communion). The priest was so stunned and humbled that he immediately cleaned up his life. Anyway, that's how the story goes.
 
LaRoza, I think you have a point in that it is better to criticize false IDEAS and bad BEHAVIOR, rather than single out a priest or bishop by name. We should leave it to their peers and superiors to do that, and continue to pray for priests in general. The higher the position, the more prayers they need. Everyday we should pray for the Pope especially, and take a lesson in charity and humility from St. Francis.
 
- Lisa</FONT>


To all forum members: Criticism of priests - Historian - 02-12-2009

miss_fluffy Wrote:My first thought is this: What about a child-molesting priest?  Are we not to question him but instead just pray for him?

And if it is okay to question a child-molesting priest, what about a priest who commits adultery?  What about a priest who steals church funds?  Where do we draw the line?

There are no lines need to be drawn. We should never advocate sin or defend it.

Those examples are not the issue, we rarely discuss them at all. What I do see is "Cardinal LaRoza is a heretic and I hope he is excommunicated". How many people who say that have prayed for that person with equal fervor as they condemned him? How many have prayed for him at all?

Instead of saying "Father LaRoza is a modernist heretic and Freemason", say modernism" is wrong, state the teachings of the Church in regards to the individual matter at hand and freemasonary and most of all pray for Father LaRoza.

Praying for the Pope is an essential part of the Catholic life, but it is neglected by so many, even outright as even someone on this forum at one point said they would not pray for the Pope. Do you all see the problem? Is prayer meaningless? People say the Pope/cardinal/bishop/priest is struggling or failing in their duty then they abandon those in need.

I am having troubling researching the source, although the book seems to be very high quality in content, it does not always cite the sources in a way which are easy to follow. The book is: http://www.catholiccompany.com/catholic-books/1033086/Pieta-Prayer-Book/?aid=1080

I'll try to find more information on the source himself, but listen to the words.






To all forum members: Criticism of priests - Tim - 02-12-2009

I don't remember where I got this but it is from somewhere in the past fifty-five years. I was told not to criticize any priest, except if you pray for him. I don't mean to be sarcastic nor frivolous, nor am I talking about small matters, like his shoes. This is obscure in my mind and it may have come from a Sister when I was a kid, and had said something she didn't like at all. I think it's something we all should consider before engaging in criticism of Priests.



To all forum members: Criticism of priests - SCG - 02-12-2009

<FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I was going to mention the Pieta Prayerbook.  </FONT>
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<FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- Lisa</FONT>



To all forum members: Criticism of priests - miss_fluffy - 02-12-2009

LaRoza Wrote:Praying for the Pope is an essential part of the Catholic life, but it is neglected by so many, even outright as even someone on this forum at one point said they would not pray for the Pope. Do you all see the problem? Is prayer meaningless? People say the Pope/cardinal/bishop/priest is struggling or failing in their duty then they abandon those in need.

Yes, I definitely see the problem.  But it's not just about priests.  We should pray for anyone in error, prayer comes before, above, and beyond fraternal correction.  And in the case of priests, laypeople are not in a position to fraternally correct.



To all forum members: Criticism of priests - Miserere_Nobis - 02-12-2009

This should explain it...

http://www.angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=105327&highlight=#105327