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Return to the Council -- Of Chalcedon [451] - Vincentius - 02-19-2009


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ROMA, February 19, 2009 – Who's afraid of Vatican II? This is the question that the theologian Giuseppe Ruggieri and the historian Alberto Melloni have used as the title of a slim anthology that they have edited, released a few days ago in Italy.

The book is not new. It is a reprinting of issue No. 2, 2007, of "Cristianesimo nella Storia," the journal of the Institute for Religious Studies in Bologna, the association of scholars who – together with collaborators in various countries – published the "History of Vatican Council II" that is the most widely read of its kind in the world, in five volumes completed in 2001, and published in seven languages. It is a "History" with a very distinct viewpoint, which interprets the Council more as an "epochal event" than for its documents, more in the "spirit" than in the letter, more as a "new beginning" than in continuity with the Church preceding it.

In addition to Ruggieri and Melloni – the only one to add a new chapter to the previously published texts – the other authors are Christoph Theobald of France, Joseph A. Komonchak, American, and the German Peter Hünermann.

In the preface, Ruggieri and Melloni deny that the book is a defense of the Bologna school's "History" of Vatican Council II. But this is exactly the impression one gets from reading it: that these are the heroic guardians of the proper interpretation of the Council itself; these are the ones who have no "fear" of it, and preserve its genuine "novelty"; these are the ones who do what not even Benedict XVI does anymore: he has changed too much from the young Ratzinger who wrote the explosive speeches read at the Council by Cardinal Frings.

For a detailed analysis of the essays contained in the volume, just go back to the article that www.chiesa dedicated to them after they were published in the journal "Cristianesimo nella Storia":

<B>Confirmed: The Council Was an "Historic Transition." The School of Bologna Annexes the Pope</B> (11.12.2007)

For his part, Pope Benedict XVI explained his interpretation of Vatican Council II in his memorable address to the Roman curia on December 22, 2005:

<B>"Wake up, O man!..."</B>


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The text that follows is not a review of the book "Who's afraid of Vatican II?" But it takes the book's publication as an opportunity to present – in the form of a dialogue – the questions that today's Church finds itself facing.

As will be seen, these are questions of capital importance, touching on the foundations of the Christian creed. They are questions answered not only by Vatican II, but before it by the Christological Councils of the early centuries, in Nicaea, Ephesus, Chalcedon.

The author is Francesco Arzillo, 49, from Rome, an administrative judge with rare expertise in philosophy and theology.

The Dialogue:  Read here




Return to the Council -- Of Chalcedon [451] - Historian - 02-19-2009

Who is afraid of Vatican II? Any serious catholic is. I know I am.



Return to the Council -- Of Chalcedon [451] - cunctas_haereses - 02-19-2009

Not afraid, disgusted. Actually, infuriated.



Return to the Council -- Of Chalcedon [451] - Historian - 02-19-2009

cunctas_haereses Wrote:Not afraid, disgusted. Actually, infuriated.

Well, yes, those too.



Return to the Council -- Of Chalcedon [451] - BlessedKarl - 02-19-2009

Who is afraid of Vatican II?!

THE MODERNISTS ARE!!


Seriously...if anyone actually read what Vatican II REALLY said, and not the amazing "spirit of Vatican II", they would see how the whole "progressive" Catholic movement is full of it.



Return to the Council -- Of Chalcedon [451] - ONeill - 02-19-2009

BlessedKarl Wrote:Who is afraid of Vatican II?!

THE MODERNISTS ARE!!


Seriously...if anyone actually read what Vatican II REALLY said, and not the amazing "spirit of Vatican II", they would see how the whole "progressive" Catholic movement is full of it.

Exactly.

VII is a bit sloppy and it is hard to see what its value is, but in the end, its actual text is rarely followed.

If it were followed to the letter, the mass would be essentially the same (in Latin, no altar girls, same altars, no lay people doing weird things, no turning around unless it was previously celebrated facing that way, etc) and the practices would be minorly revised (indulgences and feast days would have different classifications).