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Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - SCG - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 02:21 AM)columba Wrote: Woo hoo! Up for Paganism. Woo hoo!

You forgot this...

:chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader:

Come on guys. Out of all the women in the world, how many are professional athletes? There are probably more women warriors.Too tiny a percentage of the female population to hardly merit 8 pages of a thread. But this discussion is really about so-called gender blending and we know what that entails for some people: women in pants, women with careers, any woman who breaks a sweat doing anything outside of childbirth, housework, etc..


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - lamentabili sane - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 10:27 AM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(07-06-2009, 02:21 AM)columba Wrote: Woo hoo! Up for Paganism. Woo hoo!

You forgot this...

:chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader:

Come on guys. Out of all the women in the world, how many are professional athletes? There are probably more women warriors.Too tiny a percentage of the female population to hardly merit 8 pages of a thread. But this discussion is really about so-called gender blending and we know what that entails for some people: women in pants, women with careers, any woman who breaks a sweat doing anything outside of childbirth, housework, etc..

"Pope Pius XI, Divini Illius Magistri" Wrote:68. False also and harmful to Christian education is the so-called method of "coeducation." This too, by many of its supporters, is founded upon naturalism and the denial of original sin; but by all, upon a deplorable confusion of ideas that mistakes a leveling promiscuity and equality, for the legitimate association of the sexes. The Creator has ordained and disposed perfect union of the sexes only in matrimony, and, with varying degrees of contact, in the family and in society. Besides there is not in nature itself, which fashions the two quite different in organism, in temperament, in abilities, anything to suggest that there can be or ought to be promiscuity, and much less equality, in the training of the two sexes. These, in keeping with the wonderful designs of the Creator, are destined to complement each other in the family and in society, precisely because of their differences, which therefore ought to be maintained and encouraged during their years of formation, with the necessary distinction and corresponding separation, according to age and circumstances. These principles, with due regard to time and place, must, in accordance with Christian prudence, be applied to all schools, particularly in the most delicate and decisive period of formation, that, namely, of adolescence; and in gymnastic exercises and deportment, special care must be had of Christian modesty in young women and girls, which is so gravely impaired by any kind of exhibition in public.

Do you have a problem with this? This is 1929, btw. It's not all that long ago and it is the Pope teaching.

Are you really a "strict Catholic girl"? :)


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - columba - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 10:27 AM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(07-06-2009, 02:21 AM)columba Wrote: Woo hoo! Up for Paganism. Woo hoo!

You forgot this...

:chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader:

Come on guys. Out of all the women in the world, how many are professional athletes? There are probably more women warriors.Too tiny a percentage of the female population to hardly merit 8 pages of a thread. But this discussion is really about so-called gender blending and we know what that entails for some people: women in pants, women with careers, any woman who breaks a sweat doing anything outside of childbirth, housework, etc..

The Pagan practice of sending mothers to war is made possible by the cultural effect of women's professional sports. You doubt that? Previously, Christian people never would have submitted to such abuse of power. You invoked Pagan warrior queens against Bp. Williamson's traditional Catholic standard of womanhood.  H.E. laments the dying out of the West and attempt to laugh it off with pom-pom smileys.

If you cannot address the issues, why bother to post?


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - Scipio_a - 07-06-2009

"Bow to your sensei."

"Do you think anyone thinks I'm a failure because I go home to Starla at night?   Forget about it."











Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - lamentabili sane - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 11:16 AM)columba Wrote:
(07-06-2009, 10:27 AM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(07-06-2009, 02:21 AM)columba Wrote: Woo hoo! Up for Paganism. Woo hoo!

You forgot this...

:chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader: :chleader:

Come on guys. Out of all the women in the world, how many are professional athletes? There are probably more women warriors.Too tiny a percentage of the female population to hardly merit 8 pages of a thread. But this discussion is really about so-called gender blending and we know what that entails for some people: women in pants, women with careers, any woman who breaks a sweat doing anything outside of childbirth, housework, etc..

The Pagan practice of sending mothers to war is made possible by the cultural effect of women's professional sports. You doubt that? Previously, Christian people never would have submitted to such abuse of power. You invoked Pagan warrior queens against Bp. Williamson's traditional Catholic standard of womanhood.  H.E. laments the dying out of the West and attempt to laugh it off with pom-pom smileys.

If you cannot address the issues, why bother to post?

What does the Church teach. That is the question that should be asked...if you call yourself a Catholic.


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - Scipio_a - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 11:11 AM)lamentabili sane Wrote:
"Pope Pius XI, Divini Illius Magistri" Wrote:68. False also and harmful to Christian education is the so-called method of "coeducation." This too, by many of its supporters, is founded upon naturalism and the denial of original sin; but by all, upon a deplorable confusion of ideas that mistakes a leveling promiscuity and equality, for the legitimate association of the sexes. The Creator has ordained and disposed perfect union of the sexes only in matrimony, and, with varying degrees of contact, in the family and in society. Besides there is not in nature itself, which fashions the two quite different in organism, in temperament, in abilities, anything to suggest that there can be or ought to be promiscuity, and much less equality, in the training of the two sexes. These, in keeping with the wonderful designs of the Creator, are destined to complement each other in the family and in society, precisely because of their differences, which therefore ought to be maintained and encouraged during their years of formation, with the necessary distinction and corresponding separation, according to age and circumstances. These principles, with due regard to time and place, must, in accordance with Christian prudence, be applied to all schools, particularly in the most delicate and decisive period of formation, that, namely, of adolescence; and in gymnastic exercises and deportment, special care must be had of Christian modesty in young women and girls, which is so gravely impaired by any kind of exhibition in public.

Do you have a problem with this? This is 1929, btw. It's not all that long ago and it is the Pope teaching.

Are you really a "strict Catholic girl"? :)

Nobody here has a problem with Church teaching ya big dope....and it does not say anything in support of the puritans on this board...oh, you thought it did?  I'm sorry.


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - Anastasia - 07-06-2009

(07-05-2009, 08:57 PM)lamentabili sane Wrote:
(07-04-2009, 05:51 PM)Anastasia Wrote: Yes, I think it's a fair comparison: it's the same game with the same basic rules, the same number of players, and the same equipment: the speed of the ball doesn't alter that. At what mile per hour does tennis stop being appropriate for women?

When it goes from a recreational activity to what you see today in the professional ranks. How's that for an answer. :) Are you saying because we cannot pinpoint exactly where in between these two ends the activity becomes inappropriate that we can't see the inappropriateness at all? This is a philosophical error, I believe.
Yes, if you cannot define what exactly makes the sport right in some cases and wrong in others. In order to make an argument as to apporopriaiteness, you must be able to pinpoint it; anything else is taken merely on your word.
Interestingly enough, Spartan women were encouraged to excercise because it helped them to bear stronger children. This is also why pregnant women are recommended games like tennis for the first few months, and swimming after that, it keeps your body physically prepared for childbirth.
In an aside, did anyone else notice that Scipio, Erin, Belloc, Didishroom, and I are on the same side? It has to be the beginning of the End Times!


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - columba - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 11:20 AM)lamentabili sane Wrote: What does the Church teach. That is the question that should be asked...if you call yourself a Catholic.

This thread is being spammed with posts attempting to bury the issue and extolling paganism.


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - columba - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 11:27 AM)Anastasia Wrote: Interestingly enough, Spartan women were encouraged to excercise because it helped them to bear stronger children. This is also why pregnant women are recommended games like tennis for the first few months, and swimming after that, it keeps your body physically prepared for childbirth.
In an aside, did anyone else notice that Scipio, Erin, Belloc, Didishroom, and I are on the same side? It has to be the beginning of the End Times!

You should read Bishop Williamson's article. H.E. links the dominant culture's of masculinization of women in professional sports with the birth dirth. Women exercising to stay is shape is not at issue.


Re: Bp W column, 7.4.09 - lamentabili sane - 07-06-2009

(07-06-2009, 11:23 AM)Scipio_a Wrote:
(07-06-2009, 11:11 AM)lamentabili sane Wrote:
"Pope Pius XI, Divini Illius Magistri" Wrote:68. False also and harmful to Christian education is the so-called method of "coeducation." This too, by many of its supporters, is founded upon naturalism and the denial of original sin; but by all, upon a deplorable confusion of ideas that mistakes a leveling promiscuity and equality, for the legitimate association of the sexes. The Creator has ordained and disposed perfect union of the sexes only in matrimony, and, with varying degrees of contact, in the family and in society. Besides there is not in nature itself, which fashions the two quite different in organism, in temperament, in abilities, anything to suggest that there can be or ought to be promiscuity, and much less equality, in the training of the two sexes. These, in keeping with the wonderful designs of the Creator, are destined to complement each other in the family and in society, precisely because of their differences, which therefore ought to be maintained and encouraged during their years of formation, with the necessary distinction and corresponding separation, according to age and circumstances. These principles, with due regard to time and place, must, in accordance with Christian prudence, be applied to all schools, particularly in the most delicate and decisive period of formation, that, namely, of adolescence; and in gymnastic exercises and deportment, special care must be had of Christian modesty in young women and girls, which is so gravely impaired by any kind of exhibition in public.

Do you have a problem with this? This is 1929, btw. It's not all that long ago and it is the Pope teaching.

Are you really a "strict Catholic girl"? :)

Nobody here has a problem with Church teaching ya big dope....and it does not say anything in support of the puritans on this board...oh, you thought it did?  I'm sorry.

Correct, Catholic teaching is not puritanical (some trads lean towards the puritanical, I admit). But the source of the error of the puritanical leaning trads is the same as the liberal leaning trads...effectively disregarding the clear teaching of the Church as they do their own moral theology. Nobody SAYS they have a problem with Church teaching...they just disregard it or say it somehow doesn't apply today.