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Back to the tradition - glgas - 08-31-2009

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/articles/a0000624.shtml

The Vatican has proposed sweeping reforms to the way Mass is celebrated, it has been claimed.

Communion on the tongue, Consecration celebrated ad orientem (facing east) and renewed use of Latin could all be re-introduced to ordinary Sunday Masses as part of proposals put forward by the Congregation for Divine Worship.



Re: Back to the tradition - Credo - 08-31-2009

I'll believe it when I see it. These rumors have been going on for years. Judging by all the horseplay with just a new English translation of the Mass, the aforementioned changes may be centuries in the future.


Re: Back to the tradition - glgas - 08-31-2009

(08-31-2009, 05:46 AM)Credo Wrote: I'll believe it when I see it. These rumors have been going on for years. Judging by all the horseplay with just a new English translation of the Mass, the aforementioned changes may be centuries in the future.

The same was told about the Motu Proprio a few years ago. I see the good result, the mushrooming of the TLM.

This is a battle and hopefully the result will be the second great Western schism. This is why the Church is in need for a tradition personal prelature.

As for the 'hopefully' the alternative is that the orientals takes over the Western world with anti-Christian sentiment and the tribulations reunite the Christians.


Re: Back to the tradition - Credo - 08-31-2009

glgas Wrote:The same was told about the Motu Proprio a few years ago.

Except that the foes of the Moto Proprio were able to sooth their angst over the old Mass and Office coming back into play by justifiably saying that comparatively few people in the Latin Rite (and really only in the Western world at that) would take advantage of the document. However the laudable changes you mention, glgas, they will affect the entirety of the Latin Rite from here to China and every inch inbetween. As such, they will face more pussyfooting than the Moto Proprio or even the new English translation have seen.


Re: Back to the tradition - SinfullyLate - 08-31-2009

(08-31-2009, 05:34 AM)glgas Wrote: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/articles/a0000624.shtml

The Vatican has proposed sweeping reforms to the way Mass is celebrated, it has been claimed.

Communion on the tongue, Consecration celebrated ad orientem (facing east) and renewed use of Latin could all be re-introduced to ordinary Sunday Masses as part of proposals put forward by the Congregation for Divine Worship.

Optimism is something that this forum seems to lack.

So +1 because optimism is the foundation of courage!


Re: Back to the tradition - glgas - 08-31-2009

(08-31-2009, 07:20 AM)SinfullyLate Wrote: Optimism is something that this forum seems to lack.
So +1 because optimism is the foundation of courage!

My definition is this (from the time before the extensive air traffic ):

Two men had apples on the top of their bookshelves. One was pessimist, so he ate every day the most rotten one, and ate always the worst. The other was optimist and ate every day the healthiest apple, and he ate always the best.


Re: Back to the tradition - Historian - 08-31-2009

(08-31-2009, 05:34 AM)glgas Wrote: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/articles/a0000624.shtml

The Vatican has proposed sweeping reforms to the way Mass is celebrated, it has been claimed.

Communion on the tongue, Consecration celebrated ad orientem (facing east) and renewed use of Latin could all be re-introduced to ordinary Sunday Masses as part of proposals put forward by the Congregation for Divine Worship.

Those aren't changes to the mass. According to VII, all of that should be done anyway.


Re: Back to the tradition - cgraye - 08-31-2009

(08-31-2009, 09:14 AM)Rosarium Wrote: Those aren't changes to the mass. According to VII, all of that should be done anyway.

That's true.  But you know it is rarely actually done that way.  It would be a major change to disallow the option that allows those things not be done...um...if you know what I mean  :crazy:


Re: Back to the tradition - trident59 - 08-31-2009

The reason so many of us on these forums lack optimism is "real world" experience. After you've been kicked around for 40 years a person tends to get a little cynical.


Re: Back to the tradition - Baskerville - 09-01-2009

If this is implimented after first giving thanks to God. I will fly to LA to watch Mahony celebrate ad orientium, the Canon in Latin, kneeling and communion on the tongue. Just to gloat.
But these changes as were mentioned arent changes but called for by VII have as much chance of happening as me running over the Easter Bunner on Christmas night while driving my brand new Farrari.