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Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - Historian - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 08:20 PM)nsper7 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 08:16 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 08:13 PM)nsper7 Wrote: They wouldn't *all* have to learn to celebrate the TLM. I could pick a handful of Priests that I view as being intelligent enough to handle the challenge and Traditional/Neo-Conservative enough to value and respect the TLM. After all, just a couple of parishes in your Diocese that do TLMs on Sunday (along with NO Masses) would be a step up from what a lot of places have.
Intelligence is not the issue. Being "neo-conservative", whatever that means, is also not desirable.
Look, in my Diocese, no parish has a TLM...
Do you start every post with a command?

Look, remember, etc?


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - jovan66102 - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 06:08 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Eastern Rite priests CANNOT celebrate the Latin rite. Latin Rite priests cannot celebrate Eastern Rites. That would be violating the rules of the Church.
Not quite true. Some Priests have bi-ritual faculties. Archbishop Sheen comes to mind as well as my former Ruthenian Pastor. He was an Irish Latin who was so upset at the 'rape of the Mass' that he applied to Rome and was granted the appropriate faculties. He lived at the Latin Cathedral, celebrated the  DL  in our Temple on Sundays and Holy Days and the NO in Latin at the Cathedral on weekdays.


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - Historian - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 08:59 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 06:08 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Eastern Rite priests CANNOT celebrate the Latin rite. Latin Rite priests cannot celebrate Eastern Rites. That would be violating the rules of the Church.
Not quite true. Some Priests have bi-ritual faculties. Archbishop Sheen comes to mind as well as my former Ruthenian Pastor. He was an Irish Latin who was so upset at the 'rape of the Mass' that he applied to Rome and was granted the appropriate faculties. He lived at the Latin Cathedral, celebrated the  DL  in our Temple on Sundays and Holy Days and the NO in Latin at the Cathedral on weekdays.

Fine, support nsper7.
[me=Rosarium]goes to pout in my room. [/me]

I knew what I was saying probably had exceptions, but it isn't something that a bishop can order around anyway...right?


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - jovan66102 - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 09:01 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Fine, support nsper7.
[me=Rosarium]goes to pout in my room. [/me]

I knew what I was saying probably had exceptions, but it isn't something that a bishop can order around anyway...right?

Support the little troll? Not likely! Just pointing out facts, as you are known to do sometimes! :laughing:

***Edited to add***

However, you're quite right. It's not something a Bishop could do. It's unusual and completely at Rome's discretion.


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - Historian - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 09:05 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:01 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Fine, support nsper7.
[me=Rosarium]goes to pout in my room. [/me]

I knew what I was saying probably had exceptions, but it isn't something that a bishop can order around anyway...right?

Support the little troll? Not likely! Just pointing out facts, as you are known to do sometimes! :laughing:

***Edited to add***

However, you're quite right. It's not something a Bishop could do. It's unusual and completely at Rome's discretion.

:)

I'm not sure if this is something I should be doing...sometimes resistance is futile, as I know so well.

Maybe if he becomes the Pope though. But first...he has to convince a seminary to accept him, complete it, get ordained, etc.


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - nsper7 - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 09:10 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:05 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:01 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Fine, support nsper7.
[me=Rosarium]goes to pout in my room. [/me]

I knew what I was saying probably had exceptions, but it isn't something that a bishop can order around anyway...right?

Support the little troll? Not likely! Just pointing out facts, as you are known to do sometimes! :laughing:

***Edited to add***

However, you're quite right. It's not something a Bishop could do. It's unusual and completely at Rome's discretion.

:)

I'm not sure if this is something I should be doing...sometimes resistance is futile, as I know so well.

Maybe if he becomes the Pope though. But first...he has to convince a seminary to accept him, complete it, get ordained, etc.

For all intents and purposes, I have been accepted by the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land.


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - jovan66102 - 11-04-2009

Remind me to never donate to them again! :)


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - Historian - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 09:15 PM)nsper7 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:10 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:05 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:01 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Fine, support nsper7.
[me=Rosarium]goes to pout in my room. [/me]

I knew what I was saying probably had exceptions, but it isn't something that a bishop can order around anyway...right?

Support the little troll? Not likely! Just pointing out facts, as you are known to do sometimes! :laughing:

***Edited to add***

However, you're quite right. It's not something a Bishop could do. It's unusual and completely at Rome's discretion.

:)

I'm not sure if this is something I should be doing...sometimes resistance is futile, as I know so well.

Maybe if he becomes the Pope though. But first...he has to convince a seminary to accept him, complete it, get ordained, etc.

For all intents and purposes, I have been accepted by the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land.
Congratulations! In what location will you be studying with them?


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - nsper7 - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 09:22 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:15 PM)nsper7 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:10 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:05 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(11-04-2009, 09:01 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Fine, support nsper7.
[me=Rosarium]goes to pout in my room. [/me]

I knew what I was saying probably had exceptions, but it isn't something that a bishop can order around anyway...right?

Support the little troll? Not likely! Just pointing out facts, as you are known to do sometimes! :laughing:

***Edited to add***

However, you're quite right. It's not something a Bishop could do. It's unusual and completely at Rome's discretion.

:)

I'm not sure if this is something I should be doing...sometimes resistance is futile, as I know so well.

Maybe if he becomes the Pope though. But first...he has to convince a seminary to accept him, complete it, get ordained, etc.

For all intents and purposes, I have been accepted by the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land.
Congratulations! In what location will you be studying with them?

Well, my Candidacy would start at their Monastery in Washington, DC. After a year, my Postulancy would occur at Ein Karem in Israel.

Quote:Remind me to never donate to them again!

I don't think you would anyway. They are actually obedient to the Church AND they respect the Pope and hierarchy AND they celebrate the NO Mass (I only ever saw NO/OF Masses when I was at their Monastery...they were well done though, I noticed no glaring liturgical abuse).


Re: Priestly Vows of Obedience - jovan66102 - 11-04-2009

(11-04-2009, 09:28 PM)nsper7 Wrote:
Quote:Remind me to never donate to them again!

I don't think you would anyway. They are actually obedient to the Church AND they respect the Pope and hierarchy AND they celebrate the NO Mass (I only ever saw NO/OF Masses when I was at their Monastery...they were well done though, I noticed no glaring liturgical abuse).

Actually, I have donated to them for years. However, if they can accept you as a Candidate, I shan't ever again. Just sayin'.