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Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Vetus Ordo - 12-31-2009 (12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM. Precisely. "Wake up and smell the thorns". Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - INPEFESS - 12-31-2009 (12-31-2009, 12:26 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM. Why, in the name of all that is good, don't these prelates receive punishment? Cardinal Zollitsch, by denying the propitiatory nature of the Sacrifice is a public heretic and (and I'm going to be careful here and say "all but certainly") latae sententiae excommunicated from the Church. Why isn't he ferendae sententiae excommunicated? Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Vetus Ordo - 12-31-2009 (12-31-2009, 01:57 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:26 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM. Because, quite simply and unlike most credulous people may think, the Pope is not a traditionalist at all and the Roman Curia is full of modernists and freemasons. Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Augstine Baker - 12-31-2009 The last Cardinal who was demoted was Cardinal Billot around 70 years ago and there were men both before and after who have done worse than what he did. Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - INPEFESS - 12-31-2009 (12-31-2009, 11:07 AM)Augstine Baker Wrote: The last Cardinal who was demoted was Cardinal Billot around 70 years ago and there were men both before and after who have done worse than what he did. What sins someone commits does not always mean they have professed heresy. Cardinal Zollitsch has publically professed heresy. Was Cardinal Billot denying dogmas of the Church? Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Historian - 12-31-2009 (12-31-2009, 09:22 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 01:57 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:26 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM. Because, quite simply, it isn't that simple. Do not malign the Pope. Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Beware_the_Ides - 12-31-2009 link to article - http://www.medjugorje-online.com/news.php Quote:Cardinal Schönborn speaks in Medjugorje Even more disgusting is the chatter on the Medjugorje forum linked below the article. Here's a quote from a site administrator: Quote:MedjAdminI don't know whether to :( or to :puke: Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Augstine Baker - 12-31-2009 (12-31-2009, 11:42 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:(12-31-2009, 11:07 AM)Augstine Baker Wrote: The last Cardinal who was demoted was Cardinal Billot around 70 years ago and there were men both before and after who have done worse than what he did. Actually Cardinal Billot didn't say anything heretical, unlike say, someone like Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago who attacked Scriptural inerrancy by saying that the Gospel of St. John shouldn't be definitive for fear of offending the Jews. Cardinal Billot didn't think that Action Francaise deserved papal condemnation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Billot. Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - glgas - 12-31-2009 (12-30-2009, 09:10 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Yes, thank you. Glgas, we have discussed this before. We are allowed to judge the sin; we are not allowed to judge the sinner. Saying "x" is a sin is not the same as saying that "y" is going to hell. So you are allowed to say that that anyone who support a group suspended / disapproved by the Holy see has to be avoided. Unfortunatelly the tread has name and condemns an individual., without first hand knowledge of his motives, only implying those. Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - INPEFESS - 12-31-2009 (12-31-2009, 04:07 PM)glgas Wrote:(12-30-2009, 09:10 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Yes, thank you. Glgas, we have discussed this before. We are allowed to judge the sin; we are not allowed to judge the sinner. Saying "x" is a sin is not the same as saying that "y" is going to hell. It does? Please show me where the OP does this. Even if one poster has specifically spoken against the actions of Cardinal Schönborn, that is in no way a condemnation of him by that person. There are countless places in Scripture where the actions of people are condemned and we are instructed to avoid the people who participate in them. The authors of Scripture never condemn these people but expose their sins. We are allowed to condemn the sins of others. Not to do so for fear of "judging someone" is cowardice. (I know that sounds harsh, and I'm not accusing you of cowardice, but it is objectively cowardly to refrain from opposing the evils of others out of fear of condemning them - it is indifference). They are entirely different things. If we could never condemn any evil action taken by a person, how are we ever supposed to avoid sin? Should we not condemn the murder of a man because we do not know the motive of the murderer? God alone will judge his soul, but to say that it is objectively sinful for the man to commit murder is certainly necessary to oppose evil. It would be like someone asking you, "glgas, you're Catholic. That woman is wearing no clothing at a heavily populated beach in front of countless males, and she is Catholic. Isn't that sinful?" You would certainly be allowed to say, "Yes, that action taken by that woman is sinful." You could not say, seeing her the next day, "You cannot receive Communion because I saw you at the beach yesterday." We have no way of knowing what she has done since then. Still, to revisit that event (when prudent) and condemn her public nudity as sinful is most certainly appropriate, especially if she was in a position of authority in the public eye as a representative of Catholicism. |