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Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Vetus Ordo - 12-31-2009
(12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM.
Precisely.
"Wake up and smell the thorns".
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - INPEFESS - 12-31-2009
(12-31-2009, 12:26 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM.
Precisely.
"Wake up and smell the thorns".
Why, in the name of all that is good, don't these prelates receive punishment? Cardinal Zollitsch, by denying the propitiatory nature of the Sacrifice is a public heretic and (and I'm going to be careful here and say "all but certainly") latae sententiae excommunicated from the Church. Why isn't he ferendae sententiae excommunicated?
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Vetus Ordo - 12-31-2009
(12-31-2009, 01:57 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:26 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM.
Precisely.
"Wake up and smell the thorns".
Why, in the name of all that is good, don't these prelates receive punishment? Cardinal Zollitsch, by denying the propitiatory nature of the Sacrifice is a public heretic and (and I'm going to be careful here and say "all but certainly") latae sententiae excommunicated from the Church. Why isn't he ferendae sententiae excommunicated?
Because, quite simply and unlike most credulous people may think, the Pope is not a traditionalist at all and the Roman Curia is full of modernists and freemasons.
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Augstine Baker - 12-31-2009
The last Cardinal who was demoted was Cardinal Billot around 70 years ago and there were men both before and after who have done worse than what he did.
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - INPEFESS - 12-31-2009
(12-31-2009, 11:07 AM)Augstine Baker Wrote: The last Cardinal who was demoted was Cardinal Billot around 70 years ago and there were men both before and after who have done worse than what he did.
What sins someone commits does not always mean they have professed heresy. Cardinal Zollitsch has publically professed heresy. Was Cardinal Billot denying dogmas of the Church?
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Historian - 12-31-2009
(12-31-2009, 09:22 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 01:57 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:26 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:(12-31-2009, 12:24 AM)Baskerville Wrote:(12-30-2009, 11:40 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The obvious question that remains, though, is why hasn't Cardinal Schönborn been removed from his duties yet.He doesnt promote the TLM.
Precisely.
"Wake up and smell the thorns".
Why, in the name of all that is good, don't these prelates receive punishment? Cardinal Zollitsch, by denying the propitiatory nature of the Sacrifice is a public heretic and (and I'm going to be careful here and say "all but certainly") latae sententiae excommunicated from the Church. Why isn't he ferendae sententiae excommunicated?
Because, quite simply and unlike most credulous people may think, the Pope is not a traditionalist at all and the Roman Curia is full of modernists and freemasons.
Because, quite simply, it isn't that simple. Do not malign the Pope.
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Beware_the_Ides - 12-31-2009
link to article - http://www.medjugorje-online.com/news.php
Quote:Cardinal Schönborn speaks in Medjugorje
On December 30, 2009, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, Archbishop of Vienna and a member of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, gave a powerful, lengthy talk at St. James Church in Medjugorje.
Schönborn's talk revolved around the theme of God's mercy, and he did not hesitate to praise Medjugorje.
His first words as he stepped to the podium were "Hvaljen Isus i Marija," a Croatian phrase that means "Praised be Jesus and Mary." This is a common greeting among the visionaries and Medjugorje villagers. The Cardinal repeated it several times and urged the crowd to repeat it with him.
He went on to say "When you look at a place like Medjugorje, you can see a superpower of mercy. Many merciful deeds were born here or they were supported here."
During one poignant moment of his talk, Cardinal Schonborn urged the crowd to stand and join him in singing the well-known Medjugorje song Gospa Majka Moja. He smiled warmly as he sang along.
Delving further into the topic of mercy, Cardinal Schönborn said, "What a deep feeling of compassion there is in Jesus. Many deeds of mercy in the Church were born exactly in this way, like Mother Teresa, who couldn't accept people dying in the street. Or Mother Elvira, here in Medjugorje, the founder of Cenacalo Community rehab center: she couldn't stand to see young people on drugs, destroying their lives with drugs. What is this deep, profound emotion that we call compassion?"
While concluding his talk in Medjugorje, Cardinal Schönborn said, "I believe that many experiences in the Church demonstrate something that is impossible from a human point of view."
Cardinal Schönborn has been in Medjugorje since December 28. He will celebrate New Year's Eve Mass at St. James Church. The visit and implied endorsement from such a prominent Vatican cardinal is seen by many as a very positive indication of the Church's stance on the apparitions. [emphasis mine]
While some had expected Cardinal Schönborn's visit to Medjugorje to be private, he has instead surprised the town by being very visible. He has spent his time concelebrating Mass at St. James Church, climbing Apparition Hill with visionary Marija Lunetti, hearing confessions, praying in silence at Adoration, and, perhaps most notably, giving his talk today in the parish church with the Franciscan friars at his side.
Even more disgusting is the chatter on the Medjugorje forum linked below the article. Here's a quote from a site administrator:
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In researching the Cardinal, I noticed that people have called him "papable," that is, future pope material. He is one of the youngest in the college of Cardinals. The more I read about him, the more I really like him. [color=red][emphasis mine]
Here's a wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Sch%C3%B6nborn
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Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - Augstine Baker - 12-31-2009
(12-31-2009, 11:42 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:(12-31-2009, 11:07 AM)Augstine Baker Wrote: The last Cardinal who was demoted was Cardinal Billot around 70 years ago and there were men both before and after who have done worse than what he did.
What sins someone commits does not always mean they have professed heresy. Cardinal Zollitsch has publically professed heresy. Was Cardinal Billot denying dogmas of the Church?
Actually Cardinal Billot didn't say anything heretical, unlike say, someone like Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago who attacked Scriptural inerrancy by saying that the Gospel of St. John shouldn't be definitive for fear of offending the Jews. Cardinal Billot didn't think that Action Francaise deserved
papal condemnation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Billot.
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - glgas - 12-31-2009
(12-30-2009, 09:10 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Yes, thank you. Glgas, we have discussed this before. We are allowed to judge the sin; we are not allowed to judge the sinner. Saying "x" is a sin is not the same as saying that "y" is going to hell.
So you are allowed to say that that anyone who support a group suspended / disapproved by the Holy see has to be avoided.
Unfortunatelly the tread has name and condemns an individual., without first hand knowledge of his motives, only implying those.
Re: Cardinal Schonborn offers mass/speaks at Medjugorje - INPEFESS - 12-31-2009
(12-31-2009, 04:07 PM)glgas Wrote:(12-30-2009, 09:10 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Yes, thank you. Glgas, we have discussed this before. We are allowed to judge the sin; we are not allowed to judge the sinner. Saying "x" is a sin is not the same as saying that "y" is going to hell.
Unfortunatelly the tread has name and condemns an individual., without first hand knowledge of his motives, only implying those.
It does? Please show me where the OP does this.
Even if one poster has specifically spoken against the actions of Cardinal Schönborn, that is in no way a condemnation of him by that person. There are countless places in Scripture where the actions of people are condemned and we are instructed to avoid the people who participate in them. The authors of Scripture never condemn these people but expose their sins. We are allowed to condemn the sins of others. Not to do so for fear of "judging someone" is cowardice. (I know that sounds harsh, and I'm not accusing you of cowardice, but it is objectively cowardly to refrain from opposing the evils of others out of fear of condemning them - it is indifference). They are entirely different things. If we could never condemn any evil action taken by a person, how are we ever supposed to avoid sin? Should we not condemn the murder of a man because we do not know the motive of the murderer? God alone will judge his soul, but to say that it is objectively sinful for the man to commit murder is certainly necessary to oppose evil.
It would be like someone asking you, "glgas, you're Catholic. That woman is wearing no clothing at a heavily populated beach in front of countless males, and she is Catholic. Isn't that sinful?" You would certainly be allowed to say, "Yes, that action taken by that woman is sinful." You could not say, seeing her the next day, "You cannot receive Communion because I saw you at the beach yesterday." We have no way of knowing what she has done since then. Still, to revisit that event (when prudent) and condemn her public nudity as sinful is most certainly appropriate, especially if she was in a position of authority in the public eye as a representative of Catholicism.