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Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde - 01-14-2010

(01-14-2010, 02:40 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote:
(01-14-2010, 07:12 AM)Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde Wrote: P.S. you have to be nobility or a priest to be able to join.

Nah, just rich.

If you HAD to be noble in the traditional European sense, then the Order of Malta would be out of business in the United States. But the Order draws tons of money and membership out of the U.S.

I thought about that after I posted. In the past 100-200 years they probably have dropped that requirement out of necessity. Even though, there are only 1,800 members in the US and deduct the number that are priests and the rest probably within so many generations could show linkage to some European blue blood. But you are probably right.


Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde - 01-14-2010

(01-14-2010, 07:25 PM)JonW Wrote: That's strange.  According to the website, the most you would ever have to pay is a total of $600, and that's if you reach the highest levels.  I think $100 of it is for the cape.  Also, to join the order itself is free.

Its invitation only. There is an exclusive social club here that from the outside their requirements don't look to bad to the normal middle class person, but that requirement for 5 members to nominate you will sink anybody that doesn't show any potential to climb into the upper crust. But don't let that discourage you. If you think that Order is right for you then find a member and start talking to them. You never know. Finding a priest that is a member might be the easier route.


Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - The_Harlequin_King - 01-14-2010

(01-14-2010, 11:06 PM)Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde Wrote: Its invitation only. There is an exclusive social club here that from the outside their requirements don't look to bad to the normal middle class person, but that requirement for 5 members to nominate you will sink anybody that doesn't show any potential to climb into the upper crust. But don't let that discourage you. If you think that Order is right for you then find a member and start talking to them. You never know. Finding a priest that is a member might be the easier route.

I contacted a Knight of Malta about membership, and he said I should become an auxiliary of the Order by assisting pilgrims to Lourdes. But he suggested that it's rare for anyone under 40 to get in as a full knight.

I think it's lamentable that young people can't fill prestigious positions anymore. I mean, there are no more 23-year old generals or anything like that.


Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde - 01-15-2010

(01-14-2010, 11:45 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote:
(01-14-2010, 11:06 PM)Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde Wrote: Its invitation only. There is an exclusive social club here that from the outside their requirements don't look to bad to the normal middle class person, but that requirement for 5 members to nominate you will sink anybody that doesn't show any potential to climb into the upper crust. But don't let that discourage you. If you think that Order is right for you then find a member and start talking to them. You never know. Finding a priest that is a member might be the easier route.

I contacted a Knight of Malta about membership, and he said I should become an auxiliary of the Order by assisting pilgrims to Lourdes. But he suggested that it's rare for anyone under 40 to get in as a full knight.

I think it's lamentable that young people can't fill prestigious positions anymore. I mean, there are no more 23-year old generals or anything like that.

:laughing:

True, seniority before merit. I wondered if they had some "underclassman" type thing. That is a tall order to comply with if you are not in Europe. I guess the Order of Malta will just never really be for Americans. It would be nice to have something other than KofC though.


Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - WilfredLeblanc - 01-15-2010

(01-14-2010, 06:42 AM)JonW Wrote: Is this legit, and is anyone a member?

http://www.knightofmalta1.org/Commandery_Belgium.htm

This seems to be the website of one of the many, many orders of chivalry of dubious (at best) legitimacy floating around out there.


Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - WilfredLeblanc - 01-15-2010

(01-14-2010, 07:12 AM)Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde Wrote: Yes the Order of Malta is the one and only true Order of St. John. As to the website I don't know. This is the official Belgium site and the official site of the order.

http://www.ordredemaltebelgique.org/
http://www.orderofmalta.org/english

These links are legit.

The Order of Malta definitely tends to recruit well-heeled types, and while there are no nobiliary requirements for the lower ranks, there definitely are for the higher ones, and these consequently exclude almost all American members. For an interesting proposal for changes to the Order's policies, see here: http://www.chivalricorders.org/orders/smom/m-nbprf5.htm

As far as I know, the proposal has fallen flat, but because such a large percentage of the Order's funds come from American members, the odds are that they're going to have to do something eventually.






Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - JonW - 01-15-2010

(01-15-2010, 03:07 AM)WilfredLeblanc Wrote:
(01-14-2010, 06:42 AM)JonW Wrote: Is this legit, and is anyone a member?

http://www.knightofmalta1.org/Commandery_Belgium.htm

This seems to be the website of one of the many, many orders of chivalry of dubious (at best) legitimacy floating around out there.

Thank you for the info.  There is a ton of info on the site, and it looks great (only TLM goers, the books you are required to read, the physical fitness requirement, etc.) but I just wasn't sure if it was really A) Catholic and B) the real Order it claims to be.  If it isn't the real order, is it still an actual Catholic order, or something else?


Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - Mac_Giolla_Bhrighde - 01-15-2010

(01-15-2010, 04:31 AM)JonW Wrote:
(01-15-2010, 03:07 AM)WilfredLeblanc Wrote:
(01-14-2010, 06:42 AM)JonW Wrote: Is this legit, and is anyone a member?

http://www.knightofmalta1.org/Commandery_Belgium.htm

This seems to be the website of one of the many, many orders of chivalry of dubious (at best) legitimacy floating around out there.

Thank you for the info.  There is a ton of info on the site, and it looks great (only TLM goers, the books you are required to read, the physical fitness requirement, etc.) but I just wasn't sure if it was really A) Catholic and B) the real Order it claims to be.  If it isn't the real order, is it still an actual Catholic order, or something else?

http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=56&catname=14


Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - devotedknuckles - 01-15-2010

LoL
The order of Malta is a classic exaple of a brave Holy order of warrior monks who faught themohamadans to the death on many many many occasions. Acre, the glorious battle and siege of rohodes the battle and siege of Malta to name a few.
They had balls and essentialy savede europe from the turks on more then one occasion. The turks were hard pressed for centuries to destroy them. This brave order during the sige of Malta beheaded hundred of moham prisponers and tossed the headsa down the ramparts at the enemy. When one fot was cpompletly lost the wonded rather then try to escape waited for the enemy those who culdnt stand sat to be killed
During Rhodes that great siege and battle they the Order of st john showed the world what it is to be Catholic. To be warrior monks. Their nuns rather then be taken and raped by the vile savage turks sliced eachothers faces off as to be untouchable and were killed but not raped.
Fast forward to the balless richmans charity with no backbone or anything other then loot and conections today
Sad
Let's pray they find themselves again
DEUS VULT!!!!!




Re: Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem - FatherCekada - 01-15-2010

In the early years of the traditional movement in the United States, there was a bogus Knights of Malta organization offering "jurisdiction" to priests who wanted to join in order to say the traditional Mass.

In the early 1980s, I wrote an article on the topic. It gives some of the history behind the various spurious organizations claiming to be Knights of Malta. The link is below:

Light on the the OSJ
http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=56&catname=14

As they say in New York: Enjoy!