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Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Historian - 02-13-2010

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Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Historian - 02-13-2010

Why not?

The soul has a chance to save itself, but it won't.  That doesn't mean its existence is worthless.  Maybe the damned soul will have an offspring down the road that cures cancer, or better yet, becomes a saint.


Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Iuvenalis - 02-14-2010

(02-13-2010, 11:57 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: Why not?

The soul has a chance to save itself, but it won't.  That doesn't mean its existence is worthless.  Maybe the damned soul will have an offspring down the road that cures cancer, or better yet, becomes a saint.

A person who themselves will become a saint could also have offspring that cures cancer or becomes a saint. There is no need to have an intermediary soul in Hell just to be the progenitor of a saint.


Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Historian - 02-14-2010

(02-14-2010, 12:16 AM)Iuvenalis Wrote:
(02-13-2010, 11:57 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: Why not?

The soul has a chance to save itself, but it won't.  That doesn't mean its existence is worthless.  Maybe the damned soul will have an offspring down the road that cures cancer, or better yet, becomes a saint.

A person who themselves will become a saint could also have offspring that cures cancer or becomes a saint. There is no need to have an intermediary soul in Hell just to be the progenitor of a saint.

And there is no need to have a saint to be the progenitor...

I was giving an example of how the damned soul's existence isn't worthless just because he is damned at the end of his mortal life, but one can think of others.

God creates the soul but with our involvement.  Human free will is involved in the creation of a new soul, and for God to prevent that would be interfering with our free will.  That's why he allows babies to be conceived who are later murdered in utero by their mothers.


Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Historian - 02-14-2010

(02-13-2010, 11:55 PM)Servus_Maria Wrote: ???

The question is:

Why would God try to help those who He knows will decide to go to Hell.

The answer: Love.

When Jesus wept in the garden, it was not for the crucifixion, but that He knew not all would follow. That is what caused the most pain. That is what caused God to send Himself to us.

John 3:16-20 Wrote:For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. or God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him. He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil. For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.

God knew the future decisions of the beings He created (angels and humans, specifically). However, without free will, there is no ability to return God's love. So, He created beings in His image, then strove to help them as much as He could without violating our free will.


Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Historian - 02-14-2010

(02-14-2010, 12:46 AM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote:
(02-13-2010, 11:55 PM)Servus_Maria Wrote: ???

The question is:

Why would God try to help those who He knows will decide to go to Hell.

The answer: Love.

When Jesus wept in the garden, it was not for the crucifixion, but that He knew not all would follow. That is what caused the most pain. That is what caused God to send Himself to us.

John 3:16-20 Wrote:For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. or God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him. He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil. For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.

God knew the future decisions of the beings He created (angels and humans, specifically). However, without free will, there is no ability to return God's love. So, He created beings in His image, then strove to help them as much as He could without violating our free will.

But why wouldn't He just create the souls he knew were going to use their free will to return that love rather than create souls knowing most of them will go to Hell?


Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Historian - 02-14-2010

(02-14-2010, 12:50 AM)Servus_Maria Wrote: But why wouldn't He just create the souls he knew were going to use their free will to return that love rather than create souls knowing most of them will go to Hell?

Is that free will then?

It is great love to show love for those who one knows will not return it.

When God created Man in His image, it was not a joke. It was truth.




Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - albert - 02-14-2010

(02-14-2010, 12:50 AM)Servus_Maria Wrote: But why wouldn't He just create the souls he knew were going to use their free will to return that love rather than create souls knowing most of them will go to Hell?

The answer lies in the form of your question.  You say why would God create souls that go to hell. Souls don’t do anything.  Rather, the faculty of free will does something to the souls God creates.  God proposes, our free will disposes.

God only gets the rap for two gifts, creating souls and giving them free will to love Him.  Should said souls not use their freedom to Love Him, said souls dispose of themselves.  God doesn’t dispose of them. 

God’s foreknowledge of our free will choice to litter hell with our souls does little to indict Him of littering.  The crime of littering hell is all ours.  Likewise, police prosecute those who actually litter, not the companies that manufacture the litter. – Cheers, Albert Cipriani



Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Iuvenalis - 02-14-2010

(02-14-2010, 12:55 AM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote: It is great love to show love for those who one knows will not return it.

Including the part where their lack of love, which you had foreknowledge of, condemns them to Hell for eternal suffering? Poppycock.


Re: Why would God create a soul he knows will go to Hell? - Iuvenalis - 02-14-2010

(02-14-2010, 12:50 AM)Servus_Maria Wrote: But why wouldn't He just create the souls he knew were going to use their free will to return that love rather than create souls knowing most of them will go to Hell?

I agree with you. I've never received a satisfactory answer to this that isn't at least begging the question.