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Vatican II Documentary? - Jitpring - 09-14-2010

I'm looking for a good documentary on Vatican II and its vandalism. I'm not looking for anything from freaks like the Brothers Dimond. Thanks.


Re: Vatican II Documentary? - Gerard - 09-14-2010

Do you mean something like "What We Have Lost...and the Road to Restoration."  ? 

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Re: Vatican II Documentary? - glgas - 09-14-2010

Why don't you read the original documents

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm



Re: Vatican II Documentary? - Gerard - 09-14-2010

(09-14-2010, 04:15 PM)glgas Wrote: Why don't you read the original documents

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm

Where do the documents of Vatican II show the vandalism of the post concilar era? 


Re: Vatican II Documentary? - glgas - 09-14-2010

(09-14-2010, 04:22 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(09-14-2010, 04:15 PM)glgas Wrote: Why don't you read the original documents

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm

Where do the documents of Vatican II show the vandalism of the post concilar era? 

Changing the topic is quite low level argumentation. The original request was about the vandalism of Vatican II. If there is some, that must be in the documents, if there is none, then that is the answer.


Re: Vatican II Documentary? - Gerard - 09-14-2010

(09-14-2010, 04:25 PM)glgas Wrote:
(09-14-2010, 04:22 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(09-14-2010, 04:15 PM)glgas Wrote: Why don't you read the original documents

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm

Where do the documents of Vatican II show the vandalism of the post concilar era? 

Changing the topic is quite low level argumentation. The original request was about the vandalism of Vatican II. If there is some, that must be in the documents, if there is none, then that is the answer.


The original request was Vatican II AND its vandalism.  It's a non-sequitur to say that Vatican II consisted of only the documents, not the Council itself, not the discussions, not the context and not the aftermath. 

The original poster could have just as easily asked for a documentary on the "fruits of the Council" and the documents themselves would only give an incomplete picture at best. 





Re: Vatican II Documentary? - Jitpring - 09-14-2010

(09-14-2010, 04:15 PM)glgas Wrote: Why don't you read the original documents

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm

Done that. Dreadful Oprahism. Torture.


Re: Vatican II Documentary? - Jitpring - 09-14-2010

(09-14-2010, 04:22 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(09-14-2010, 04:15 PM)glgas Wrote: Why don't you read the original documents

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm

Where do the documents of Vatican II show the vandalism of the post concilar era? 

Ecumenism, religious liberty, collegiality....

Edit: Sorry, question misunderstood.


Re: Vatican II Documentary? - Jitpring - 09-14-2010

(09-14-2010, 04:05 PM)Gerard Wrote: Do you mean something like "What We Have Lost...and the Road to Restoration."  ? 

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That might be what I'm looking for. Thanks.


Re: Vatican II Documentary? - SouthpawLink - 09-14-2010

(09-14-2010, 03:50 PM)Jitpring Wrote: I'm looking for a good documentary on Vatican II and its vandalism. I'm not looking for anything from freaks like the Brothers Dimond. Thanks.

The two most scholarly works that I'm aware of are The Rhine Flows into the Tiber, by Rev. Ralph Wiltgen*, and Iota Unum: A Study of Changes in the Catholic Church in the Twentieth Century, by Romano Amerio**.


* -- $18 at TAN Books
** - $24 at Angelus Press