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Fr Corapi gets it - Petertherock - 09-30-2010

I was listening to his radio show tonight and he said that it's not necessarily a mortal sin to not have the tabernacle in the center of the sanctuary but what does that tell you about what the focus is on? He talked about one parish he went to where the tabernacle was in a broom closet and there was actually a broom resting against the tabernacle. He said he wouldn't have believed this either if he hadn't seen it with his own eyes.

He said depending on the survey it's between 40-70% of Catholics who don't believe in the Real Presence. What does that say about the state of the Church when the majority of Catholic don't believe in the most essential element of the Faith? The Eucharist is the center of the Catholic Faith and people don't believe. Then you have those people that say they believe in the Real Presence but they don't really believe because they don't believe we should have adoration, they receive Communion in the hand without thinking of what it is they are receiving and just go up like they are getting a cracker or potato chip. They don't kneel or show any kind of reverence. What does that say about the state of the Church?

He said that 75% of Catholics don't go to Mass and he talked about how people will come up to him and tell him that such and such a family member is a good Catholic and a good person but they just don't go to Mass. Fr. said it doesn't matter how good a person is if they don't go to Mass they aren't living their faith and they are in mortal sin if they aren't going to Mass.

Obviously I am paraphrasing Fr. Corapi's words but he sounded like a trad priest tonight. Now if he would just say the TLM he might really be on to something!




Re: Fr Corapi gets it - glgas - 09-30-2010

The Center of the Catholic religion (and for any religion) is God. Catholics are Catholics because they believe that Jesus Christ, the second divine Person  is present in the world through His Mystical Body, the Church. The belief in the Sacraments, and among them the Eucharist is shared with the Easter Orthodox people.

Otherwise to put the tabernacle to anywhere than the front of the people is great irreverence toward our Lord. I always wondered how some people who claim loudly that the times when the priest celebrated the muss turning his back toward them were wrong, accept w/o any problem that they turn their back toward our God in the Eucharist.


Re: Fr Corapi gets it - Tim - 09-30-2010

This is the real problem, they don't believe. Most Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on us, Immaculate Heart of Mary pray for us, Precious Blood of Jesus save us.
tim


Re: Fr Corapi gets it - winoblue1 - 09-30-2010

The problem isn't belief per se, but that the Church is not forcing what is called dispositional belief.
A dispositional belief is credited to someone if they act as if such and such were the case.
It is the Church's role to encourage through outward actions and discipline, dispositional belief.
From dispositional belief can come actual belief, but that is a gift of God.
So the Church through Her ritual, liturgy, discipline, laws etc, needs to compel dispositional belief in the Real Presence.
Communion in the hand, the new mass, moving the tabernacle have all resulted in the lack of dispositional belief among the faithful and therefore actual belief.
Once the Church gets Her house in order, people will begin to believe again, but if the Church acts like it doesn't believe, who will do so?


Re: Fr Corapi gets it - Exilenomore - 09-30-2010

(09-30-2010, 09:57 AM)winoblue1 Wrote: The problem isn't belief per se, but that the Church is not forcing what is called dispositional belief.
A dispositional belief is credited to someone if they act as if such and such were the case.
It is the Church's role to encourage through outward actions and discipline, dispositional belief.
From dispositional belief can come actual belief, but that is a gift of God.
So the Church through Her ritual, liturgy, discipline, laws etc, needs to compel dispositional belief in the Real Presence.
Communion in the hand, the new mass, moving the tabernacle have all resulted in the lack of dispositional belief among the faithful and therefore actual belief.
Once the Church gets Her house in order, people will begin to believe again, but if the Church acts like it doesn't believe, who will do so?

This is very true. If you don't enforce certain rules on your children they will get spoiled and will do whatever they like.


Re: Fr Corapi gets it - Petertherock - 09-30-2010

Fr. Corapi also addressed the bad Bishops too. He said the Pope can call all the Bishops in and tell them they have to do this and that and they will all say "Yes Holy Father." and they go back to their diocese and do whatever they darn well please. Unfortunately the Pope doesn't have a prison to send bad Bishops too.

My response to that however is the Pope does have the authority to defrock bad bishops. In fact, I bet all it would take is a hand full of defrocked Bishops before the rest of them start to toe the line.




Re: Fr Corapi gets it - SouthpawLink - 09-30-2010

(09-30-2010, 01:45 PM)Petertherock Wrote: Fr. Corapi also addressed the bad Bishops too. He said the Pope can call all the Bishops in and tell them they have to do this and that and they will all say "Yes Holy Father." and they go back to their diocese and do whatever they darn well please. Unfortunately the Pope doesn't have a prison to send bad Bishops too.

My response to that however is the Pope does have the authority to defrock bad bishops. In fact, I bet all it would take is a hand full of defrocked Bishops before the rest of them start to toe the line.

And not only that, but the pope also has the authority to excommunicate pertinacious heretics, whether they be bishops or even cardinals. A few excommunications (of course, let's pray that no bishop becomes or remains an obstinate heretic) would go far in waking up the rest of the hierarchy. And how about a few anathemas to neo-modernist propositions?  ;D  By the grace of God, the pope should end this crisis once and for all!

P.S. - He could go even further and reinstate Scholasticism, where priests are instructed "according to the method, doctrine, and principles of the Angelic Doctor" (Code of Canon Law, can. 1336, 2), for we know that "Modernists are so amply justified in fearing no Doctor of the Church so much as Thomas Aquinas" (Pope Pius XI, Studiorum Ducem, n. 27; 29 June 1923).


Re: Fr Corapi gets it - The Catholic Thinker - 10-01-2010

(09-30-2010, 01:45 PM)Petertherock Wrote: Fr. Corapi also addressed the bad Bishops too. He said the Pope can call all the Bishops in and tell them they have to do this and that and they will all say "Yes Holy Father." and they go back to their diocese and do whatever they darn well please. Unfortunately the Pope doesn't have a prison to send bad Bishops too.

My response to that however is the Pope does have the authority to defrock bad bishops. In fact, I bet all it would take is a hand full of defrocked Bishops before the rest of them start to toe the line.

I have long pondered why the excommunications do not come.  Why?

Is it because he's a softie, or doesn't see clearly?  No, not Benedict.  JP2 maybe.

Is it because he fears the backlack of hate he would receive, from within and without the Church?  Again - not this guy.  He doesn't care.

I think it's because 'they' have something.  It is politics.  If much of Windswept House is to be believed then the pontiff simply does not control large areas of the Vatican, and the Church.  'They' would do something outrageous or terrible if he were to go so far as excommunicate the heretics - a lot of them anyway.

One would think he could at least get away with, say, Weakland, though.

EDIT: As part of this I would add that think Benedict cares deeply about the faithful and his primary worry might be what effect 'they' could have on them.  (Which begs the question - could it be worse than what it's already been?)


Re: Fr Corapi gets it - Walty - 10-01-2010

(10-01-2010, 11:22 PM)The Catholic Thinker Wrote: If much of Windswept House is to be believed then the pontiff simply does not control large areas of the Vatican, and the Church.  'They' would do something outrageous or terrible if he were to go so far as excommunicate the heretics - a lot of them anyway.

Imagine this.  If Windswept House is true and John Paul II was seen as an arch-enemy of the modernists and secularists trying to reform and transform the Church to serve the City of Man, how much more would Benedict be seen as an enemy?  If they hated JPII can you imagine the hatred they have and the plans they make to neutralize Benedict?

I also think that part of the reasons the excommunications don't come is because the Holy Father is making quiet and subtle moves to combat the infiltration, to reverse it with a slow and deliberate process, not unlike the way that it came about.  Imagine the upheaval, confusion, and distress that would be caused by purging out all modernism from the Church in one large movement.  Perhaps the Holy Father believes that if he puts the correct pieces into place that the current modernists will soon die off and be replaced with cardinals, bishops, vicars, theologians, priests etc. that are friendly to tradition and will right the Church swiftly once the opposition has been weeded out by death and the promotion of good prelates worldwide.


Re: Fr Corapi gets it - The Catholic Thinker - 10-01-2010

(10-01-2010, 11:29 PM)Walty Wrote:
(10-01-2010, 11:22 PM)The Catholic Thinker Wrote: If much of Windswept House is to be believed then the pontiff simply does not control large areas of the Vatican, and the Church.  'They' would do something outrageous or terrible if he were to go so far as excommunicate the heretics - a lot of them anyway.

Imagine this.  If Windswept House is true and John Paul II was seen as an arch-enemy of the modernists and secularists trying to reform and transform the Church to serve the City of Man, how much more would Benedict be seen as an enemy?  If they hated JPII can you imagine the hatred they have and the plans they make to neutralize Benedict?

I also think that part of the reasons the excommunications don't come is because the Holy Father is making quiet and subtle moves to combat the infiltration, to reverse it with a slow and deliberate process, not unlike the way that it came about.  Imagine the upheaval, confusion, and distress that would be caused by purging out all modernism from the Church in one large movement.  Perhaps the Holy Father believes that if he puts the correct pieces into place that the current modernists will soon die off and be replaced with cardinals, bishops, vicars, theologians, priests etc. that are friendly to tradition and will right the Church swiftly once the opposition has been weeded out by death and the promotion of good prelates worldwide.

Very possible.

He would almost have to have direct knowledge of his successor(s) for that to play-out as planned.

But he would, of course, just do what he can and give the rest to the Holy Ghost.