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Re: Do trad kids rebel? - JayneK - 11-03-2010

If people go to malls all the time they become desensitized and don't notice what is wrong with them.  But it jumps out at you if you hardly ever go.


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - Scipio_a - 11-03-2010

I don't think it has anything to do with familiarity....It is only state of mind and personal preference...and some folks wrap their personal preference up in religious fervor, that's about it.


I could go to a gay bar every day of the week and at the end of ten years still know what's wrong with the place....and no doubt it would jump out at me every time....


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - Scipio_a - 11-03-2010

Oh, I forgot, the ads at Abercrombie are over the top


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - wallflower - 11-03-2010

(11-03-2010, 12:58 PM)CanadianCatholic Wrote: post falls is alotta my family. My older brother an sister went to St. Marys (and my bro got kicked out) a whack load of my cousins go to both schools...Ill admit, alot of them get kicked out. But those schools are totally nutty

I wouldn't say totally nutty but I'll compromise with a somewhat nutty. There's room for improvement. I probably should have guessed they were cousins, it seems like everyone is related somehow! I'd love to have all trad family, even if we didn't all agree on specifics, it would be nice to have us all know where we are coming from at least.


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - Iolanthe - 11-03-2010

(11-03-2010, 01:32 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: Oh, I forgot, the ads at Abercrombie are over the top

I agree. If I didn't already hate the overpriced junky clothes, loud music, snotty employees, and overpowering smell, I would certainly avoid A&F for the porn on the walls. I reached this decision without feeling the need to stay out of malls completely. It's easy to recognise certain companies for their marketing strategies and make a conscious decision not to fall for them, all without invoking Catholicism. I tend to avoid a lot of places that are too loud or overly advertised because it's just irritating and insulting. But, if I want candles, to the mall I will go.  ;D


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - JayneK - 11-03-2010

(11-03-2010, 01:42 PM)Iolanthe Wrote:
(11-03-2010, 01:32 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: Oh, I forgot, the ads at Abercrombie are over the top

I agree. If I didn't already hate the overpriced junky clothes, loud music, snotty employees, and overpowering smell, I would certainly avoid A&F for the porn on the walls. I reached this decision without feeling the need to stay out of malls completely. It's easy to recognise certain companies for their marketing strategies and make a conscious decision not to fall for them, all without invoking Catholicism. I tend to avoid a lot of places that are too loud or overly advertised because it's just irritating and insulting. But, if I want candles, to the mall I will go.  ;D

I don't understand why you wanted to separate your criticisms of malls from your Catholicism.  Consumerism is opposed to Catholic values.  Malls promote covetousness, lust and gluttony.  To go to a mall is to immerse oneself in a sinful environment just as much as going to a gay bar. 


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - OCLittleFlower - 11-03-2010

(11-03-2010, 01:42 PM)Iolanthe Wrote:
(11-03-2010, 01:32 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: Oh, I forgot, the ads at Abercrombie are over the top

I agree. If I didn't already hate the overpriced junky clothes, loud music, snotty employees, and overpowering smell, I would certainly avoid A&F for the porn on the walls. I reached this decision without feeling the need to stay out of malls completely. It's easy to recognise certain companies for their marketing strategies and make a conscious decision not to fall for them, all without invoking Catholicism. I tend to avoid a lot of places that are too loud or overly advertised because it's just irritating and insulting. But, if I want candles, to the mall I will go.  ;D

You forgot the dim lighting that makes it near impossible to figure out what the heck color the clothes are.


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - ruralpeace - 11-03-2010

@Scipio-a

"Is yours the "purged home of a nut case?

Well seeing as there is nothing particularly wrong with "the current system" which is not particularly different from past systems of barter and trade...only faster and more accurate with greater diversity it's funny you don't "support" it...except that you do...because you own something even if you spin your own yarn you had to buy or steal the sheep..if you choose to make your life as difficult as possible and remake the wheel...hey have at it.

As for stores...most of them are cloths stores...and the last I checked, most states require you to cover up at least a little...so yeah...you need cloths...also there are things you don't need...(besides...I did not use the word need (you did)...NEED is a weak measure) but are nice to have, like candles or a particular coffee you may prefer, or hundreds of other nice things to have for your leisure or work

If the goods were "useless" they would not be sold....simple as that.

LOL"

Demand for a product or service does not make it useful. Nor does manual labour make one's life "difficult".

You are the classic contrarian, though. I'll give you that!

We'll never agree. I'll give you that, as well.

Enjoy the mall.  Free will.

@lolanthe

"I tend to avoid a lot of places that are too loud or overly advertised because it's just irritating and insulting"

It's also intentional. And terrible for us, spiritually. Part of the "intent".

+JMJ+



Re: Do trad kids rebel? - Vetus Ordo - 11-03-2010

(11-03-2010, 01:50 PM)JayneK Wrote: To go to a mall is to immerse oneself in a sinful environment just as much as going to a gay bar.

I beg to differ.

While I'm not exactly fan of malls and shopping centres, in my opinion they can't possibly be compared to gay bars. These bars exist solely to promote sodomite behaviour and gay lifestyle agendas, otherwise they would be just normal bars. As you know, sodomy is a grave disorder, a sin against nature and a social evil. Excessive shopping can belie a sinful disposition (and be a sin sometimes), perhaps it's even a symptom of a weak spiritual life, I grant you that, but shopping is not a sin in itself. The environment at these shopping centres, while certainly not spiritually edifying, cannot be compared to the the intrinsic sinfulness of a gay bar or even a brothrel.

I see malls as big modern bazaars, a bit too pretentious and too big for their shoes, but nothing more than that.


Re: Do trad kids rebel? - JayneK - 11-03-2010

(11-03-2010, 02:29 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(11-03-2010, 01:50 PM)JayneK Wrote: To go to a mall is to immerse oneself in a sinful environment just as much as going to a gay bar.

I beg to differ.

While I'm not exactly fan of malls and shopping centres, in my opinion they can't possibly be compared to gay bars. These bars exist solely to promote sodomite behaviour and gay lifestyle agendas, otherwise they would be just normal bars. As you know, sodomy is a grave disorder, a sin against nature and a social evil. Excessive shopping can belie a sinful disposition (and be a sin sometimes), perhaps it's even a symptom of a weak spiritual life, I grant you that, but shopping is not a sin in itself. The environment at these shopping centres, while certainly not spiritually edifying, cannot be compared to the the intrinsic sinfulness of a gay bar or even a brothrel.

I see malls as big modern bazaars, a bit too pretentious and too big for their shoes, but nothing more than that.

Shopping is not a sin in itself and neither is buying a drink at a bar.  When teens go to hang out at malls, they aren't just there to shop.  They are there to hook up with each other and be part of a lifestyle that is opposed to Catholic values in many ways. 

I wouldn't normally compare them, but I was thinking of Scipio's comment along the lines that people would not become accustomed to a gay bars and that, no matter how often they went, people would still recognize the sinfulness of that environment.  I would be very surprised to see this happen.  It is human nature to get used to sin and take it for granted when we are constantly  surrounded by it.  I suspect that most people would become desensitized to even the wrongness of a gay bar if they spent enough time there.

If one is shopping at a mall because one needs to purchase an item that is sold there, that is one thing.  Hanging out at the mall as a social activity (which apparently is common among young people) is highly problematic.