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Re: Missionary position - Satori - 11-18-2010

(11-18-2010, 03:50 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote: Allow me to relate what Fr. Prümmer (Handbook of Moral Theology) has written concerning this topic:

Under Unnatural Consummated Sins of Impurity:

A male committing sodomy (unnatural carnal intercourse) with another male is ‘perfect sodomy’ while when done with a female is ‘imperfect sodomy.’ Both are considered sinful. (Sec. 525, 2)

The following are then named as sexual perversions: sadism, masochism, fetishism, and homosexuality.



Under The Obligations of Marriage: The Lawfulness of the Conjugal Act:

Quote:Principle. The conjugal act is lawful and even meritorious as often as it is not opposed to the benefit of offspring and conjugal fidelity. (Sec. 859, 1)

The intrinsic reason for this (I Cor. vii, 3) is that the conjugal act is not only necessary for the propagation of the human race but also for the fostering of married love.  As often as one of these purposes is desired, the conjugal act is lawful, provided that no other ills or inconveniences ensue.  Consequently the partners in marriage are not obliged to exercise sexual intercourse simply for the sake of procreation.  Therefore this act is lawful even if both parties are sterile, also during the time of lactation of pregnancy, on Sundays and on feast days; but it is forbidden to exercise the sexual function by means of onanism or with serious danger to health or at the same time causing scandal to others, etc.

Circumstances of the Conjugal Act.  Not only the conjugal act itself but also touches and looks and all other acts are lawful between the married, provided that there is no proximate danger of pollution and the sole intention is not mere sexual pleasure.  Therefore in ordinary circumstances the confessor should not interrogate married persons about these accompanying acts.



Quote:Sec. 862, 3. Sins of the Married.

Principle. a) Whatsoever is directly and seriously opposed to the benefits of offspring and conjugal fidelity is a grave sin against chastity; b) anything that is done for mere sexual pleasure is a slight sin, provided it is not directly contrary to the offspring or to conjugal fidelity; c) whatever is useful for or necessary for the perfect fulfillment of the conjugal act and the fostering of marital love is not sinful.

Sec. 863 states that solitary and conjugal onanism are both grievously sinful.

This sounds sensible to me.


Re: Missionary position - Bearded Man - 11-18-2010

(11-18-2010, 04:09 PM)Satori Wrote: [quote='SouthpawLink' pid='647335' dateline='1290109849']
Allow me to relate what Fr. Prümmer (Handbook of Moral Theology) has written concerning this topic:

Under Unnatural Consummated Sins of Impurity:

A male committing sodomy (unnatural carnal intercourse) with another male is ‘perfect sodomy’ while when done with a female is ‘imperfect sodomy.’ Both are considered sinful. (Sec. 525, 2)

The following are then named as sexual perversions: sadism, masochism, fetishism, and homosexuality.

Okay. A good straight up answer. Thanks!


Re: Missionary position - Historian - 11-18-2010

(11-18-2010, 03:50 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote: Allow me to relate what Fr. Prümmer (Handbook of Moral Theology) has written concerning this topic:

Under Unnatural Consummated Sins of Impurity:

A male committing sodomy (unnatural carnal intercourse) with another male is ‘perfect sodomy’ while when done with a female is ‘imperfect sodomy.’ Both are considered sinful. (Sec. 525, 2)

The section you cite is "consummated sins".  "Imperfect sodomy" as a prelude to proper consummation is what Jone considers licit, not imperfect sodomy as consummated (i.e., the guy finishes in the wrong place) because the act is not pro-creative.

OK, I'm just going to lock this thread because it's getting a little dangerous.  Everyone, talk to your pastors.