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Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - Bakuryokuso - 02-13-2011

It made sense to give cigarettes to soldiers in world war 2 and smoking lessens the effects of schizophrenia, but there are more effective ways of dealing with depression.


Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - SouthpawLink - 02-13-2011

hbelzak,
Of course, I agree that it is sinful to smoke excessively.

"The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 2290).

McHugh and Callan's Moral Theology: A Complete Course based on St. Thomas Aquinas and the Best Modern Authorities (two volumes) only mentions tobacco in the context of not breaking the Eucharistic fast.

The same can be said for Rev. Slater's A Manual of Moral Theology for English-Speaking Countries (vol. I, p. 104).

"Immoderate indulgence in food or drink is only a venial sin even though one foresees that he will thereby shorten his life to some extent" (Jone, Moral Theology, sec. 208, IV, p. 135).  The use of narcotics in small quantities and only occasionally is justified for a proportionately good reason, such as to calm the nerves (cf. sec. 110, p. 57).


Edit: Included all of the quotes I've found thus far in one post.


Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - Tim - 02-13-2011

I'm not joining back in but the picture of Pope John XXIII says a lot. He was my second Pope, and he was a man of his times. I see the world through that filter. Everyone smoked back then, and everyone drank. So to me this more is the novelty. The Cigarette companies held the congress at bay, with scientific studies which showed roll your own smokers did not contract cancer at a rate higher than non smokers. It was the congress which kept going after the cigarette companies with their propaganda,  until public opinion changed, and cigarettes became a progressive "mortal sin".  My grandmother died of cancer in her innards. I don't remember which organ was first but it wasn't her lungs. My sister ever the progressive said "if she hadn't smoked she wouldn't have died of cancer". Can you see the logic, because I can not. That's all.

tim


Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - EcceQuamBonum - 02-13-2011

(02-13-2011, 08:45 PM)timoose Wrote: My grandmother died of cancer in her innards. I don't remember which organ was first but it wasn't her lungs. My sister ever the progressive said "if she hadn't smoked she wouldn't have died of cancer". Can you see the logic, because I can not. That's all.

tim

I don't really have a dog in this fight, so the matter of smoking's sinfulness is ultimately indifferent to me.  However, cigarette smoke poses an increased risk for a vast array of cancers beyond just lung cancer.  Simply because one smokes does not mean that one is doomed to lung cancer; rather, one could develop one of several other cancers (e.g., esophageal, pancreatic, laryngeal, stomach, and renal cancers, among others) or no cancer at all.  Your sister's claim, though perhaps a bit of a generalization, is not illogical.


Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - Jitpring - 02-13-2011

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Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - devotedknuckles - 02-13-2011

I do miss it feom time to time.
Mmmmmm



Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - SCG - 02-13-2011

(02-13-2011, 08:36 PM)hbelzak Wrote: Most Catholics born and raised now don’t start smoking.  

I agree. I started smoking at 15 -- keep in mind we're talking a cigarette now and then, maybe on the weekend, to be "cool" around friends. I didn't start smoking my half pack a day until years later - and now I'm hooked, meaning I have to have a smoke after meals, and I enjoy it tremendously. I don't think it's a sin.

But my kids, now in their late 30s, never smoked. My oldest grandchild, now 20, boasts that she has never even tried a cigarette, and the other grandkids swear they will never smoke. It's not something our culture promotes anymore.


Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - Resurrexi - 02-14-2011

(02-13-2011, 11:44 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(02-13-2011, 08:36 PM)hbelzak Wrote: Most Catholics born and raised now don’t start smoking.  

I agree. I started smoking at 15 -- keep in mind we're talking a cigarette now and then, maybe on the weekend, to be "cool" around friends. I didn't start smoking my half pack a day until years later - and now I'm hooked, meaning I have to have a smoke after meals, and I enjoy it tremendously. I don't think it's a sin.

But my kids, now in their late 30s, never smoked. My oldest grandchild, now 20, boasts that she has never even tried a cigarette, and the other grandkids swear they will never smoke. It's not something our culture promotes anymore.

I don't know. Most of my friends and acquaintances who are party-types use some sort of tobacco product (whether it be cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, or hookah, or chew) at least on a semi-frequent basis. I'd say it's about as popular as alcohol. Part of that may be, though, that most of us can go to a store and legally buy tobacco products but can't purchase alcohol without a fake.


Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - Nic - 02-14-2011

(02-13-2011, 02:15 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(02-13-2011, 08:46 AM)Nic Wrote: There are MANY things one can do to harm one's body - even eating many of today's processed foods, which is probably equally as harmful as smoking, if not more so. 

I find it interesting that so many people have made this point in this thread.  The argument seems to be that eating unhealthy food is as bad or worse than smoking and we eat unhealthy food therefore we can smoke.  Let's try similar reasoning in this sentence: Pornography is not as bad as adultery so there is no need to be concerned about pornography.  I hope everyone recognizes that this statement was incorrect.  

Than I hope you are a vegan and never shove another greasy hamburger down your gullet - because eating red meat, not to mention nearly all of today's processed foods, are just as bad as smoking - and still yet the Church has made no declaration on either being sinful - one is only sinful in the neo-con Church of Modernity under popess JayneK.  Besides, your argument is pointless.  Smoking can obviously be a sin if done in excess to the exclusion of all other things, when one makes it priority number one - but so can just about anything else - including overeating.  There is so much that we do that is harmful to our bodies, especially in these modern times.  Was working in that manufacturing plant that had polluted air a sin too, Jayne? - because I can almost guarantee that the air there was just as harmful as smoking.  What about all of the people who work in places MUCH worse than that?  Are they all sinners too because they knowingly "infect" their bodies with pollutants?

Some people, like myself, have extremely addictive personalities.  I am a former drug addict of opiate painkillers.  The doctors have told me that I actually suffer from something that can be classified as a "disease" - I have a chemical shortage in my brain that makes me feel like superman when I take opiates - when most people either feel tired or sick, and only mildly euphoric.  This is the reason why so many regular people; from nurses to teachers to produce managers - get so easily addicted to these prescription painkillers.  The very first time I took a Vicodin after getting some dental work when I was 15 years old, I knew then and there that that was how I wanted to feel always.  By my nature, I am an introverted person and not really social - but the painkillers reversed that, making me become extroverted and very social.  It began with the Vicodins and the Percocets, and I had it under a bit of control until I was confronted with the demon of all prescription opiates - Oxycontin.  It didn't take long for my little weekend habit to become a full-blown addiction - an addiction that made everything else in my life pale in comparison in importance.  Getting the drug became priority number one.  It came to the point that I no longer got really high from the drug, I only needed it so I wouldn't get sick.  Let me tell you, I have been through some serious pain in my life, but there is NOTHING that can compare to opitate withdraw - NOTHING.  It is how I imagine hell to be.  Anyway, the reason that I am spilling my guts like this is because, due to the condition in my brain that makes me actually desire opitates, the first time I was confronted with them I was basically set in a chain of events that would eventually lead to my addiction.  What I am trying to say is that there is a level of culpability with things like this - and smoking is no different.  Some people, the first time they try a cig, whether through peer pressure or whatever, know that they absolutely love it. 

Quitting smoking for me is extremely difficult.  My younger brother can smoke for a week - quit for a year, then smoke for a month - quit for six months - then smoke for another week.  This is something that is absolutely impossible for me, showing my addictive personality.  I am a very anxious person and cigs provide a way of calming me down so I don't run up the walls.  If it wasn't cigs, then it would probably be Valium, Xanax or Prozac.  At this point in my life, I believe quitting smoking cigs could drive me to something even worse.  Like I stated in another post - I have quit every harmful addiciton save cigs (and soda) in my life.  I have been clean from drugs for over 8 years - and alcohol free for 7 years.  I have two more harmful addictions that I need to kick, but in good time.  They are cigs and Dr. Pepper (which I drink entirely too much, which is probably more harmful to my body than the cigs).  It was God Who has helped me with my problems, and since I became a Roman Catholic 6 years ago, my life has made a turn for the better, but I believe that kicking these last two habits too quickly could spell disaster for me due to my severely addictive personality.  My point is that there is a matter of culpability in such things.


Re: Why claim that smoking is not a sin? - Nic - 02-14-2011

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