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Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Melkite - 02-18-2011

So, are you saying that baptism in the beginning had the power of destroying same sex attraction and immediately replacing it with a fully developed and functional opposite sex attraction?


Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Aragon - 02-18-2011

Just to clarify, OP, are you stating that one cannot be a Christian and have the desire to sleep with members of the same sex simultaneously? Or are you saying that one cannot be a Christian and proudly have sex (rather than just having the desire to) with members of the same sex?


Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Historian - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 10:05 PM)Catholic Johnny Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 10:02 PM)Melkite Wrote: Why can't someone 'be' a homosexual and also a Christian?  Afterall, a sin isn't something you 'are,' it's something you do.

Did you read the OP?  It isn't my opinion, its the clear teaching of the New Testament.

No, it's your opinion and an incorrect one, as I'll be happy to try and illustrate.

Can one be a kleptomaniac and a Christian?

What about a liar?  How many lies make a man a liar as opposed to a Christian who has told lies?  And if I am not a Christian because I lie, then I cannot go to Confession, which makes confessing lying kind of pointless, doesn't it?

What about an alcoholic?  He still has a propensity to drink even if he doesn't.  Is he out, too?




Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Historian - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 10:09 PM)Melkite Wrote: So, are you saying that baptism in the beginning had the power of destroying same sex attraction and immediately replacing it with a fully developed and functional opposite sex attraction?

I hope he isn't because that sounds like Protestantism to me.  Some sects claim if you are truly saved, you won't fall into sin anymore.   :pazzo:

They'll even quote the same passages to make that argument.


Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Historian - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 10:29 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 10:09 PM)Melkite Wrote: So, are you saying that baptism in the beginning had the power of destroying same sex attraction and immediately replacing it with a fully developed and functional opposite sex attraction?

I hope he isn't because that sounds like Protestantism to me.  Some sects claim if you are truly saved, you won't fall into sin anymore.   :pazzo:

They'll even quote the same passages to make that argument.

Some of them even say we can't help but sin, but that doesn't matter, because they are already saved.

Of course, one can accept the divinity of Christ, faith in God alone and be baptised and be acceptable to such protestants, but if one is Catholic, then it doesn't count.


Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Catholic Johnny - 02-18-2011

You are confusing the distinction between the acts of sin and self-identifying with the sin.  If I was an adulterer, but have been washed by Christ's priestly action, I do not self-identify as an adulterer anymore.  I may still suffer severe temptations, but as St. James teaches, I am to overcome those through faith and not attribute the sinful desires to God.  Why then does someone who has been given the grace of conversion by the Holy Spirit still self-identify as a homosexual?  St. Paul teaches, "such WERE some of you." You cannot be self-identified with a sin any longer.  The only purpose for such a self-identification would be to justify the presence of homosexual priests in the Church.  If I am washed, sanctified and justified as 1 Cor. 6:9-11 teaches, why then do I self identify with my sin?

A former homosexual must self-identify as a heterosexual and renounce his former conduct and identity as a homosexual.  There is no third category of personhood: "male and female He created them."  The reality is that homosexuals are the ones resisting the Summorum Pontificum because they know that the Novus Ordo is their vehicle to keep the Modernist destruction of Sacred Tradition steaming along.  Show me a "gay" priest who is for Tradition (in theology as well as liturgy).


Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - CollegeCatholic - 02-18-2011

I have a friend who struggles with same-sex attraction who loves tradition.


Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Catholic Johnny - 02-18-2011

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Ben16/Instructions.htm

"In the light of such teaching, this dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question(9), cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture."(10)

Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women. One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies
."

Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders




Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - Catholic Johnny - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 11:26 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: I have a friend who struggles with same-sex attraction who loves tradition.

"Struggles with" and self-identifies as a "homosexual person" are two different matters.  We all struggle with sin.  We don't make the sin our identity.

Quote: Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.

Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed toward those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally acceptable option. It is not.
PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith 

http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfhomop.htm

I submit to the teaching of the Church.  However, it must be admitted that no such anthropological category as the "homosexual person" existed before the Pontificate of John Paul II.  In my opinion, it is an antbiblical novelty that is fraught with every kind of danger and cannot be reconciled with previous Catholic teaching.


Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - InNomineDomini - 02-19-2011

Take care everyone with this because this poster has made some serious errors that I hope you've seen and won't get into the details of this. Fact of the matter is that he is gravely wrong. Please don't be mislead.

God Bless.