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Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - NorthernTrad - 04-09-2011

Funny, I thought there was already a schism between legitimate Roman Catholics and those who profess to be.  It was started about 50 years ago by some radical theologians.

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Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - Zedta - 04-09-2011

(04-09-2011, 09:28 PM)Scythian Wrote: A CATHOLIC BILL OF RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES
To be human is to have rights. These include life and freedom, together with
rights necessary to sustain them: shelter and nourishment, health and work,
education and leisure.

Woah!! That part, at least, is almost verbatim from the Soviet Union's old Constitution!

Only figures, I suppose.


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - MaterLaeta - 04-09-2011

Here is the statement form the Archbishop:

(Archdiocese of Detroit) - ...Although their stated purpose is to "respond to the Spirit of Vatican II by summoning the Baptized together to demonstrate our re-commitment and the documents issued by the American Catholic Council offer some valid aspirations for the Church, in fact, the goals proposed are largely in opposition to the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and the Holy Spirit, which inspired the Council.

The archdiocese wishes to commend and embrace all true efforts at Church renewal - the American Church Council's agenda is not such an effort. Some of the advertised speakers and groups organizing the effort espouse positions which are clearly contrary to Catholic faith, leading to alienation and estrangement from the Church. The Archdiocese of Detroit cautions any Catholic against participating in the American Catholic Council local listening sessions and national gathering in June 2011. Catholic parishes, schools, and institutions are not to host any meetings, gatherings, or "listening sessions" associated with the planning of the June 2011 American Catholic Council. Priests, deacons, and ecclesial lay ministers will want to avoid lending support to such a misguided effort. On behalf of the archdiocese, Archbishop Vigneron has asked the organizers to cancel their plans for this national gathering that distorts the true Spirit of Vatican II. He asks us all to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit so that we may embrace authentic development of faith and morals, and shun efforts which threaten unity.


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - Historian - 04-09-2011

(04-09-2011, 09:28 PM)Scythian Wrote: wow hans kung and sr. joan chittister will be there, along with a priest who leads a protestant congregation, and a Kennedy who was lieutenant governor of maryland

Puts them all in one place to make it easier for St. Mike to aim the smiting...


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - Zedta - 04-09-2011

(04-09-2011, 10:36 PM)MaterLaeta Wrote: respond to the Spirit of Vatican II by

How many times must we see that phrase appear before another heretical change in our Holy Mother Church?

What it really means is that the following was never discussed to decision at Vatican II, but we eggheads "feel" as though it should have, even 50 years later, and so with this justification we're changing things, like this_____________(fill in the blank).

What a load of steamin' road apples!!! :huh-uh:


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - Zedta - 04-09-2011

I don't mean to be in opposition to the Archbishop, I'm just sayin' that that particular phrase has been used for so much confusion. Vatican II never discussed much of the changes that have come about with that particular rationalization as a pretense.

Just to clarify.


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - Neoinarien - 04-10-2011

This could be The One...

As Red Leader would say: stay on target, stay on target...


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - Genius - 04-10-2011

(04-09-2011, 10:33 PM)NorthernTrad Wrote: Funny, I thought there was already a schism between legitimate Roman Catholics and those who profess to be.  It was started about 50 years ago by some radical theologians.

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That is quite a picture. I recognize Rahner. Who is the man on the far right?


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - dymphna17 - 04-10-2011

So is this the New Springtime's Summer?  Isn't it the logical conclusion to what's been allowed to happen for the last 50+ years?


Re: Major Schism in U.S. Catholic Church Underway - Dominus est - 04-10-2011

Love how dissidents claim VII trumps previous Councils, but they can cite them to support their agenda.